The main way I have been using Outliner in '23 is to Group Components (so everything in the Model is a Component and they are Grouped in the Outliner as I go). If everything is tidy as I go, I have fewer problems. Here’s an example that I recently made - with a little mess but mostly nested Groups and Components… and I don’t recall a big hassle as I went.
But the issues are real. I watch to make sure things aren’t renamed (or ‘un-named’) to ‘group’. If that happens I just undo it.
I click into groups and components a lot so clicking 5 times to name Groups as I go isn’t an issue for me. I also sometimes use a double or triple button which is handy for other things anyway.
There is something to selecting the Top Level Components and then selecting Groups… so if I try to shift select and that doesn’t work I’ll select another (usually higher level) Group or Component and then shift select again (not a good explanation but you can get the ‘feel of it’ and select what you want).
I tried making an extension to help with some of these problems. The unwanted group renaming can still happen, but it is easier to name groups with a prompt since you don’t have to click a bunch of times.
I think that anyone who says is this is ‘no big deal’ is under-clubbing the issue. This is a HUGE deal, and I’m dealing with it every day. The Outliner has been one of the core navigation tools for SU from the beginning, and is a huge “click-suck” now. Does the dev team not even use this tool?
The other major issue of the renaming is also a huge issue, especially when one is building complex models that feed other models or Layout. MAJOR bug.
Inadequate new feature implementation is one thing. BREAKING something core to the workflow is another.
I agree that the quintuple click and sudden renaming to “group” of previously named groups is not so great. I created a toolbar extension to solve the problem and create a better workflow.
When components are selected, you click the “Group Namer” button. A group is created and a prompt appears with an input for the new group name. Press “enter”, done. This promotes naming groups when they are created, and side steps using the normal ‘create group’ → LMB 1 (x 3) (or 5) times in the group name field of the new group in the Outliner.
There is a link to it in the post above yours. I have not heard any feedback but it could be a work around to take the pain out the Outliner glitches.
I waited to download 23 to work out the bugs but the outliner is still not working properly. Shift+click doesn’t work; can’t explode or group things directly in the outliner without clicking into whitespace and tapping spacebar, and it’s glitchy so occasionally I’m losing my selection. Also the outliner doesn’t jump to the selected element anymore. The messaging here seems to be that either the product was immature, the beta group isn’t sophisticated in how they operate the software, or the outliner is being discouraged as a tool, none of which are encouraging to contemplate.
I completely agree. If it’s not broken, dont fix it. Outliner is one of the main tools for BIG projects. I work on interior design and it is my main “go to” tool in Sketchup for organizing and turning “ON/OFF” things. Without that I’m blind.
Think Im going back to 2022 also. 5 minutes on 2023 and it is driving me crazy. I wasn’t using it because I was still using V-Ray 5. Just bought and upgraded to V-ray 6… and I’m installing 2022 right now.
Can we get a refund for this period, I finally have to throw in the towl and use an old version, its just too awkwarda dn problematic, does anyone know if it is vray thats something to do with it, I’ll try a fresh install and see