Line Weights, Layout, Shape Style, and Door Swings

To keep my Model file size down I am thinking to not include the frame or any hardware in the Component Door and to take care of those in detail drawings and specs.
Any architect or business person here have an opinion on that?

I guess a 3D frame isn’t necessary :thinking:

I have a simple frame, a plain door and no door furniture.

I have a Layout scrapbook scaled drawing door handle that I use if I feel like it.

Doors without frames🧐…

Frames come in all kinds, but a wooden frame shouldn’t take up that much geometry. I usually take a snapshot with the section plane+create group from slice and place it a little higher than the bottom (same for the swing)

You need to determine the level of detail for each scale that you are using in Layout and decide what to show or not.

Instead of 2D objects and 3D objects, one could name the Tags 2D 1:50, 2D 1:100, etc.
In Revit, this is all automated, but in SketchUp, you need to figure it out yourself.
More freedom comes with more discipline to handle it.

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Thank you.

keep the model to simple rectangular forms and it is not a big burden on the model… a door with frames and indicative door handle and 2d plan and elevation swings is only about 50 edges… an entire highrise tower is only going to have 500 doors at most… I have seen many single flower pots more burdensome than that

Just be sure that you aren’t leaving out the door frame if you’re showing an actual framing layout for the walls. The rough openings will be way off. (I know that’s an obvious detail, but easy to overlook IMO) If you’re just doing the plan view with the door layout on center, it shouldn’t be a big deal. Personally, I’m in love with how @medeek handles doors in his wall extension, but it isn’t ideally suited to commercial setups (yet haha). I have played around with it a lot, and have a custom door set for HMF doors that I built. The really nice part with his extension is the automatic tags and ability to create walls fully tricked out with studs, insulation and the works (all on separate tags) or you can just have a bare 2D wall. It’s really flexible.

Flextools allows you to make the whole component a “Cutter”, then you can enter the group and tell it to Exclude the trim from the cutting operation. The hole created will be for just the door opening with the trim wrapping around the remaining wall. Good tool for design. I have Medeek BIM too, but I don’t start design with it.

PowerCADD is 2D only, but the door tool allows you to set a minimum distance from a corner to allow room for trim or other things like shelves or cabinets. When you insert a door and shove it to the corner of a room, it stops at the minimum amount you’ve set.

Keith, though I don’t use Layout’s draw to scale option (though fortunately Australia uses metric), I use Layout for all floor plan work. It just works better and looks better. Though again I don’t really need detail, as I just do concepts!

Wow, massive thread. I’m not even going to read it all in detail…but I’ll add a few little pointers from my workflow:

  • Sticking the door swing sybmol at the top of the door will avoid it conflicting with the Floor (when you have a floor).

  • Sticking the door swing on a tag is sensible if you want it’s own line weight… but this is one occassion where I am happy to put the swing geometry (the curved line) on its own tag :wink: Doesnt need to be grouped or made into a component first, as it’s only a few lines. [ignore this is you’re using Flextools or DCs]

  • I also get annoyed by the “rotate” widget that keeps popping up uninvited !! :smiley: But I do have a handy custom shortcut key set up for “Flip object along X” and also “Flip object along Y” . This allows me to flip and position doors, windows and other things very quickly indeed. I highly recomend it.

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