I have to commend you on coming to the community for guidance.
In my opinion Text style editing in LayOut is an absolute dog’s breakfast. Simple functions are difficult to use (m2 or ft3), there are very limited features (e.g. there’s no stroke/frame padding around a text box, no margins, paragraph styles, etc… and it’s very difficult to generate consistent text/visual styles at a template level. A complete overhaul is in order.
Regarding your specific question; I can’t think of any reason why I would want to clip text from the bottom of a text box. But i’ve seen people use clipping as a lazy way to “delete” or hide text that’s pasted in from other places. What’s needed, really, are basic linked/anchored boxes (like MS Word) or, better still, Flowed like InDesign.
- There are a lot of font size/alignment issues as axys has demonstrated.
And there’s this really nasty bug/behaviour that can lead to critical information being missed from documentation issues. Here is what I see - hopefully you can see that this is a real problem.
Four images below: 1 = text box as it appears in LO unselected. 2 = text box once it has been selected 3 = text box while it is being edited. 4 = PDF export showing clipped text.
I assume this is a big or known issue on 2021.1.279?
One of the strangest behaviours I’ve observed with Layout is that the preview/edit mode font size and placement is often very different from the text that once editing has ceased. This varies from font to font.
When setting a text box size and editing text to look tidy (using returns, tabs, or other techniques to align it nicely) it all goes astray as soon as the user clicks away and the text is committed. In addition to the above, here’s another more pronounced example using a different font.
Free text i think is fine - can just type and use Return as DaveR says. I guess what I’m focussed on are the large documentation sets that are needing to be automated - stuff where you have dozens of text items per sheet and dozens of sheets in a drawing set. Manually typing things is not a viable option in that situation.
There is a signficant functional difference between a “Leader Text” box and a regular “Paragraph Text box” or "free Text box as described above by other users. A leader text box wants to be consisent with other leaders, and make sure nothing is cropped (because leaders are updated dynamically).
The aim (visually) is to make all leaders look consistent in terms of leader length, angle and position of the text relative to the leader. So a Leader Text Box option would be quite helpful here as opposed to the exisitng “free text” format.
(sidenote: This would also help the annoying behaviour that ocucrs when a user wants to scale or rotate the text that is part of a leader or dimension ; the scale tool is currently applied to the entire text and leader combination. An independent text box would make total sense since the leader line or dimension line is also independently editable. )
For the “paragraph text box” (bounded text), what is needed are basic margins / padding, line spacing settings, tabs, etc, within easy reach. Paragraph styles would really help here, too.
if you’re concerned about clippig, then why not do what other programs do; put an option under Preferences/Settings to tell LO to either extend or clip the text?? Why does it have to be one or the other? (remember LO is a professional tool now…we pros can handle a few settings adjustments)
The edges of each text box are only visible if the item is selected. This makes detecting edges of frames etc or clipping a bit more difficult. InDesign has a very helpful viewing mode where all text frames, margins, grids, etc become visible/hidden with a shortcut key. This mode is good for adjusting layouts when needed and can help the user align boxes etc (using snapping or guides).
Many programs have a feature where text is auto-scaled to fit a box. This could be a very good feature for Layout to implement because it’s a common CAD/drafting scenario where you have limited space withinin a box to fit your text - and the text is often pasted into a box or table (For a common example PowerPoint uses this feature extensively). I can think of a lot of good use cases for this, particualry the leader text boxes for compnents, titleblocks and info schedules (tables).
Maybe there’s opportunity to allow text boxes to be defined (size, etc) and then save that as a style (ie Adobe’s Object Styles). I don’t mean just eyedroppering the colour/weight of their leader line and font, but also adopting the phsyical size and format of the text box and the position of the leader line. It can be a challenge currently to get everything looking uniform across a larger drawing set…and if you change your mind on sizes or font, then you must manually readjust the placement of everything. For some reason the text position also varies signficantly (eg the third box down has a different margin).
9. Following from #8
above, the alignment and size options for text boxes (and leaders, and pretty much any other object in LO) are currently very limited. For example there’s no easy way to define that size acurately (eg using keyboard to enter dimensions). Wecan enter dimensions while creating the text box, but not after it has been created (it is possible to scale it; but that’s not very useful if trying to match with other items… and we can actually put a dimension line and adjust it back and forth til we get it close enouhg, or drag it and snap it…none of these are efficient workflows.
- On the image above you’ll note that the red background is very red against my red text. Under Preferences/General there is no option to adjust this colour (but we can adjust the colours of other things…so why not this?).
Okay I think that’s enough for tonight