I have been wrestling with trying to keep the lines that are hidden in my SketchUp model hidden when transferred to layout. The lines in particular that I want to be hidden are between the top plate and the roof (where the trusses would meet the wall). I think my grouping is correct, the refences have been updated in LayOut, etc. But there is something that I am missing.
I have looked at the other forum posts that have been posted on this subject and I think that I have followed all of the suggestions but haven’t had any success.
The SketchUp model has been uploaded here. If someone knows how I might share the too large LayOut file, please let me know. I hope somebody out there can tell me what I am doing wrong.
The bleed-through is very reduced with the new graphics engine. I had to zoom out quite a bit to get them to show. If that’s what you are seeing at normal viewing distances, turn off the tags for the rafters so they don’t show.
If it’s the latter, you can hide the seam line between the objects by editing each object and hiding just those edges. It’ll look like this when finished.
Thanks for the responses.
Dave R, it is more the second issue you’ve indicated with arrows in which the lines where the roof meets the walls appears in LayOut even if I’ve managed to hide them and they are no longer visible in Scenes in SketchUp.
But when they are sent to LayOut and viewed in parallel or axonometric projection, these lines reappear through the different views of elevations.
I have been able to simply transfer scenes in the past to LayOut with past versions of SketchUp without this issue. Maybe this is happening because recently switched to SU2024, but I can’t remember what I did or maybe there is a difference in the versions. Either way, I can’t get back to what I want.
And Dave, is there a specific thread you can point me to that would illustrate what you do to “clean up your tags”. I will have a look at the my file you worked your magic on and try to figure out what you mean. I do really try to keep my files clean, but they seem to go to hell when I bring things in from the 3D Warehouse, or perhaps that is just a poor excuse!
In the SketchUp model linked to the LayOut file those edges aren’t hidden. I opened the model from LayOut and hid the edges. I also hid the faces at the top of the wall and the underside of the upper section. Then I saved the changes and LayOut updated the viewports. Looks like this now.
No. I’m working with SketchUp and LayOut 2024 here, too.
Not a specific one. I’ve described what I do in many threads, though, since this seems to be a chronic thing for some users. I use an extension by TIG called Default Tag Geometry. It goes through the entire model and untags all edges and faces. You can get this from Sketchucation. It’s best if you keep up on this as you are modeling so things don’t get screwed up. Much less frustration that way.
Not really a poor excuse. Maybe the tradeoff for getting free components made by others. Stuff from the 3D Warehouse does seem to be prone to this incorrect tag usage. Best advise for using content from the 3D Warehouse is to download it into a separate file so you can inspect the component, clean it up, reduce it if needed, or reject it and go hunting for a different component. Once you’ve found a suitable component, copy it from that separate file and paste it into your SketchUp project. Many components from the 3D Warehouse tend to be overly detailed for the way most people will use them so they need to be put on diets. In your model you’ve done a good job of using low poly components for those things that are 3D.
re: Purging unused stuff from the file, I use TIG’s Purge All, also from Sketchucation, because it gives the report I showed. If you don’t care about the report you can use Purge Unused from Model Info>Statistics. My guess is a lot of the components and materials that were purged from your model were things you downloaded into your model and then deleted. Deleting them from the model space doesn’t remove them from the file. It’s like dragging home furniture to try out in your house and if you decide it doesn’t fit or it’s not comfortable, stuffing it into the attic instead of returning it to the store or hauling it off the Goodwill. Eventually you get so much furniture up there in the attic that the ceiling collapses on you while you’re sleeping.
Dave, Thanks again for the reply. I will try to do this again.
When you say, " I opened the model from LayOut" is it possible to actually open the model through the LayOut Program itself?
Many times, I tried to Relink model reference and Update Model for each scene in LayOut. The views from the scenes appeared as I wanted them to be represented in LayOut, but the hidden lines kept showing up. And when you say you hid the faces as well, what does this accomplish? Do they contribute to the lines showing up in LayOut. What you have shown as a screenshot from your LayOut instance is what I’m going for. I’ll play around with it now.
And thank you for the tips on cleaning house. Your analogy for furniture in the attic is correct! Time to donate that stuff to a better home. I will hunt around for the extensions you mentioned and have already downloaded CleanUp3 from TomTom.
-Ben
Yes. You can right click on a viewport and choose Open with SketchUp. If the SketchUp file isn’t open, it will open and you can make your edits. Then when you save the changes and go back to LayOut, the viewports will update automatically. Opening the SketchUp file from LayOut makes LayOut watch for new saves of the SketchUp file.
Instead of relinking or updating each viewport individually, you can update the reference for all by right clicking on one viewport and choosing Update Model Reference. Or open Document Setup>References and highlight the .skp file before clicking on Update. Normally you should not need to relink to the same .skp file.
Some times the faces will bleed through and show up, especially with shadows turned on. Hiding them prevents that.
Thank you. I’m glad that makes sense. As models go, yours aren’t incredibly huge. I often see models from others that are morbidly obese. Yours is just a little chubby but it’s a good idea to stay on top of things as you go.
Again, much appreciated. I will try to continue to keep my models lean. When they are fairly basic like this it should be easy. But when it gets down to the studs and subfloor sheets of plywood the tools you’ve recommended will become very useful.
-Ben
