I’m using 2025 pro. I started using the square tool to create a floor plan for a kitchen remodel then used the offset tool to expand the walls evenly and then the push pull to lift the walls to height. Then I broke out doors and where walls didn’t exist using the push pull tool (though not without difficulties). After completing this I grouped the existing walls along with tagging them and matching the tags with the group. Next, I attempted to select these grouped walls and selected edit group so I can punch through an existing window spot. I’m having 2 issues:
No matter what ways I use to select the group and then edit group, I get the outlines suggesting that I’ve opened the group, but as I try to make edits, such as the push pull to make the window, nothing is working. It continues to act like the groups is not in edit mode and the push pull function also acts like I’m trying to do this NOT in edit mode. When I back and even try to regroup, the grouping option is not available (only the edit groups is despite the exterior box for being in edit mode still showing). When I try to simply click outside of the group to exit the edit group mode, nothing happens. Am I just having some bugs with the new 2025 software. I didn’t have these problems in 2024, so I’d think with my experience with 2024, I’m probably covering my bases. I’ve even gone through the push pull community videos to check my bases. The only thing that matches the problems are the parts of the video that suggest that the push pull is not occurring in the same groups, yet the surrounding boxed lines around the group are still there suggesting it is.
Ideas?
I think I know what you did wrong but I can’t be sure until I see the file, if you share it here it’s possible we can check it and tell you what’s happening with your model.
Thank you!
This is one area I’m new to in just joining the forum… how do I share the file?
You can drag it into a reply if it’s 16mb or smaller or use wetransfer or any platform of your choice if it’s bigger than 16mb.
Mom kitchen 2a.skb (39.8 KB)
You will be able to see the guidelines on 1 wall for where the window needs to be punched out.
You’ve gone overboard with greating groups within groups.
In Outliner right click on each group except the top level group and choose Explode. Then open that group for editing and you can draw the rectangle for the opening and push it through.
humm. not sure how that happened. I thought I only had as many groups as I have tags. There should be only 3 groups in there. Ive only created groups as I completed the basics of each thing and tagged it. Is there a chance that each time I open a group to edit it, its creating another group?
Where exactly is that “outliner” area that you are looking at that is showing all the groups?
Mine doesn’t have anything below the “instructor” tab.
Your point makes sense though.
Well, no. You’ve even double group the little stub wall nest to the fridge.
SketchUp won’t greate groups on it’s own. You must have selected and grouped the geometry.
You can add Outliner to the Default Tray by going to Window>Default Tray and selecting Outliner.
Sounds like you might benefit from going through the tutorials at learn.sketchup.com.
Thank you.
I’m really puzzled though on the grouping thing though. Clearly something is going on there. I’m racking my brain on how there came to be so many groups. The only thing I can think of maybe is after I set up to edit a group and then make edits, I select all the things in that specific group including the edit changes and I hit group again. Is that not correct? Otherwise, I got to figure out how all those groups are getting created.
I went through a whole course for sketchup and never had any of these probs. After I started using 2025 I started running into this.
It’s possible that’s what you did. It wouldn’t be the correct workflow though. The correct workflow if you’ve already created a group and need to add to it is open the group for editing, make the additions and/or changes and then exit the edit mode (click in space with the Select tool.
Think of a group as a container for the geometry. A bit like a clear zipper bag for a sandwich. If you want to add cheese or tomato to the sandwich you would open the bag and make the addition. When you are finished you would do nothing more than close the bag.
Lol. Can you tell I don’t spend a lot of time in forums? I’m thinking…how’s he copying specific sentences, reposting them and replying to them?
At any rate. I’ve got some other software that you save the whole thing new each time and it just saves the updates. I’m thinking I’m crossing the skills over to this. The group thing makes sense as to its purpose, I’m just re-saving/regouping it unnecessarily. My training pretty much just said group it with no indication that you just exit it and it takes care of itself. The devil’s in the details.
So…can I delete all the groups except for the last one for each tag in the list to clean this up?
It is indeed. And trying to apply workflows from one program to another will get you in trouble.
Don’t delete the groups.That’s like throwing away the sandwich. Do what I wrote and right click on each group and choose Explode from the Context menu. Repeat for each level of grouping except the topmost. one
Also, when you finish that, open the remaining group for editing and select all of the edges and faces. Then in Entity Info change the tag to Untagged.
Again, thank you for the guidance.
K, I’ll work on that.
Then when do I retag the groups? If it’s not tagged, I can’t turn on & off things for showing customers. My training said after any changes to a group, redo the tag with the changes.
In your model as it is, only the three groups that should remain when you get done should be given tags. The issue is that you’ve given tags to some of the edges and faces in the model. ALL edges and faces should be created AND REMAIN untagged. Only groups and components in the model should be given tags.
Where did you get that training? If you are using groups, components, and tags correctly there should be nothing to redo with tags. In fact it doesn’t really matter what tag you’ve given to a group or component when you are editing that opbject. It sounds like the instructor who did your training is either teaching you to work harder than you need to or is teaching some other software.
Thanks for the clarifications. Clearly I do need more training. It was more independent training. I’ve worked through some of the sketchup tutorials, but looks like I need to put more attention into that.
Thanks for helping me figure this out and pointing me in the right/better driection.
One of the best if not the best one in the forum has checked your file. What I noticed is that you shared the .skb file instead of the .skp, the skb file is the backup created by sketchup automatically if you have it enabled in your preferences, you must work on the skp file, that’s the main one, the skb is a copy that contains the last modifications you made before saving.