Styles changing without saving them

I’m having an issue where my Styles will automatically save changes after I tinker around with a style… say I have a Style called ‘Modeling’, which is set to monochrome colors, sections off, and no profiles… then when I’m working on the model, I’ll go within the Style dialog box and change it to a monochromatic color with sections on and profiles turned on to see the model differently… but then I’ll click over to another scene, without updating the style, but then all of my scenes using the ‘Modeling’ style have changed to reflect these temporary edits to the style, that I had no intention of sticking with. It is a huge pain in the butt, and has been present since the arrival of SU2022. Any ideas?

I’m not seeing that in Sketchup 2022. Is it possible you have turned off Styles and Fog in the scene Properties to save? If the style properties weren’t being saved with the scene what you describe would be the normal process.

Does the large style thumbnail show the curved arrows on it when you’ve made the edits? If you keep the Styles panel open do those arrows disappear when you change scenes or do something else?

Thanks for chiming in here DaveR. Nope, the style/fog hasn’t been engaged or disengaged upon updating a scene… And the large style thumbnail does show the curved arrows, as soon as I have made any edit to the scene. But, I don’t even have to update a scene for the styles issue to happen. Say I’m working on a scene called ‘Main Floor Plan’, with a section cut activated… and then I go in and change the style to see something differently… say I deactivate the section plane to see the whole model… then I don’t hit anything else, and I go to my ‘Second Floor Plan’ scene, which had the same style setting as ‘Main Floor Plan’, it will now appear with the section plans deactivated, even though I didn’t change any scene or update any style. This is super problematic, as whole drawing sets will start to quickly get cumbersome as styles automatically shift around. Very weird behavior.

It would be helpful to see aS SketchUp file that has this issue especially after you have made a style change.

It’s these checked properties that DaveR is talking about, are all of these checked for the scenes in question?

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Yes, all Properties to Save are checked, as per default… this issue seems to be buggy, as in it occurs intermittently and not all of the time. Curious if reinstalling a new clean-slate install of SU2022 would be a logical step… I’m always hesitant to fiddle around with new installs, just because I rely on the software for my daily work and income. Any words of wisdom with regards to re-installs?

It wouldn’t hurt to reinstall SketchUp following the instructions in the Help files but again, it would be interesting to see your SketchUp file. I’ve never seen SketchUp change the style on its own.

Just that on Mac reinstall is rarely needed. With the exception of some odd permissions issue, if the app is in the applications folder it’s generally good to go. It’s worth a try I guess. But I am still more inclined to think there is something odd in your workflow that is causing this. You might try SketchUp>preferences>general> reset all warnings. There is a pop up warning dialogue about style changes that you may have inadvertently turned off, this could be a tool to detect when and where the style is changing. Do you have a shortcut set for Update Scene?

Did you update the style after setting it in the Style window?

When I make changes but don’t save them, clicking on another scene resets the style changes (but I might have found a small glitch, the double arrows in the style icon remains)

Have you installed style-related extensions? I seem to remember that one that saves style changes automatically might exist but I am not sure.

Finally, did you click on the icon with the arrows? That does save the style.

Thanks for the reply Anssi; I don’t have any style-related extensions… I don’t have any style-specific plugins, though I do use Auto Invisible Layer On/Off; can’t imagine that would cause an issue. I don’t click on the style update button in these instances… I’ve been a daily SketchUp user for well over a decade, very fluent with the software, and this seems to certainly be a bug. Interesting that nobody else seems to have this issue!

You seem to be ignoring my attempts to help so I’ll wish you good luck and move on.

Hi DaveR, apologies for not replying directly to your helpful posts… busy with the holidays and the demands of a young family! The SU files I’m working on that have these issues have a lot of proprietary systems built into them, and I’m honestly hesitant to share my IP in this manner; it represents my entire income! I could try stripping them down to more basic files, but at that point I’m not sure if the problem at hand would be reproducible? Regardless, I hope you haven’t taken offense to my non-response; I greatly appreciate all of the wisdom that you contribute to this forum.

The only way I can make my style changes persist between different scenes is to untick “Style and Fog” from the “Properties to save” list for the scenes involved. This is what we would have been looking for if you would have been willing to share a file.

Have you turned off the warning dialog that SketchUp displays about style changes? I guess that it would come back if you clicked the Reset All Warning Messages button in Preferences.

I haven’t taken offense to your non-response but it basically means there’s nothing to add that might help you. I get that your models might have IP that you don’t want to share with the world. I don’t share other users’ IP when they send me their files privately. Unfortunately from the little information we’ve got about your models and your workflow there’s really not enough to diagnose the exact cause of the problem

Yep, that dialog box isn’t touched during these glitches… I did reset all warning messages, and haven’t seen the warning come up. I’m very well versed in the workflow of scene/style states, and this issue is a novel occurrence that has apparently started spontaneously, and certainly seems to be a bug. Strange that it hasn’t happened to anybody else…

Which makes me suspect that it is not a SketchUp bug. I would still perhaps suspect an extension, or that Style and Fog are not set to save with the scene.

I don’t know if this is the same problem but since SU2022, my fog setting keep changing on a saved scene. Once in a while I open a file and on all my scenes with fog on, the fog 0% and 100% setting has moved and everything is white (my fog color is white). I then had to stop using this feature which I found very sad as it’s one of a huge feature of SketchUp.

I had the same issue, found the only way to get Style to update with the Scene was to make a new Style with the new settings, apply that new Style to the scene and then update the Scene.