SKP model will not convert to Hybrid in LO

[lisa.giroday]

I am not a very sophisticated user of SKP/LO, but I continue to have a specific issue with converting my SKP model in LO from raster to hybrid (for a crisper/more polished look). The model is in LO where I am labelling, etc and when I attempt to switch from raster to hybrid, the program becomes unresponsive and I am forced to close the program.

Likewise, when I tried to add two ISO scenes to the same page in LO, the program crashed repeatedly and became non-functioning.

I made sure that LO is in “draft mode” and I purged the file and updated references.

I am working in the newest version of both on a PC with an Nvidia graphics card (which has been updated) and I have tons of space on my comp.

These are landscape plans and as such, there are lots of textures and imported components from 3D warehouse, though I looked at the number of edges and it’s approx 2000, so not too many.

Thanks in advance.

[DaveR]

Maybe you could share the LayOut file. Vector and Hybrid rendering do require more resources and take longer to render than Raster. If the model is complex and/or contains a large number of edges, Hybrid rendering can be very slow because LayOut has to go through all those edges to render them as vector lines. Hi res textures can also slow things down.

[lisa.giroday]

Hi Dave,
Thanks for responding. I had noted above that I did look into # of edges and they are low (as far as I understand) and yes, I do appreciate that Hybrid rendering does take longer. I am not actually concerned about working in Hybrid, I simply want to convert from Raster to Hybrid in prep for exporting as a PDF to send for a client. The model will simply not convert.

I am unable to attach here due to size. Best alternate way to share?

[DaveR]

@lisa.giroday

I am unable to attach here due to size. Best alternate way to share?

Upload to DropBox or We Transfer and share the link.

[lisa.giroday]

Thanks!
LMK if this doesn’t work: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/pzmiecehhwkl87qrf3g4k/Layout-forum.layout?rlkey=0lj5wpx6j0dpucf87cxldljc9&st=dkx2hlpm&dl=0

[DaveR]

I have the file. Since it has contact info on it I would suggest deleting it from DropBox now so no one who shouldn’t have that info can get it. I won’t share that with anyone.

[lisa.giroday]

Thank you for that and good to be reminded of that for the future

[DaveR]

OK. So I’ve looked at your LO and SketchUp model files for this project.

The SketchUp file for the viewport on the first page contains more than 3.6 million edges that LayOut has to consider for rendering as vector line work for Hybrid or Vector rendering.

This comes from the plants you’ve added which have all the individual leaves. Even though the edges are hidden in the model LayOut has to figure out if they need to be rendered or not. Simpler plant components would reduce the render times.

There are also a few texture images that are larger than they need to be for the way they are using.

Another thing that will have an impact is the huge Environment image in both files which you really aren’t using anyway. It’s in the scene but you aren’t showing it. Deleting that from the model will help.

It also wouldnt hurt to run CleanUp3 on your models. This is the result of running it on the McKinnon file. Ant reductions you can get will help.

The cleaning I did reduced the McKinnon file by 48% and the Planting Plan file be 40%.

The following are not specifically related to render times but are important anyway.

I also notice incorrect tag usage in both models.

ALL edges and faces should be created and remain untagged. Only groups and components should be given tags. Tagging edges and faces can lead to errors if you don’t manage it correctly. Leaving all edges and faces untagged means you don’t have to chase active tags as you model.

Also, I see that for the viewport on the last sheet you’ve evidently double clicked into the viewport to pan the camera. The Camera section in the SketchUp model panel shows the dark gray background and Reset button.

I would recommend that you don’t do that as it overrides the scene’s Camera properties which can create problems. Instead, set the scale for the viewport and then drag the edges of the viewport as needed.

When setting up your plan scenes, use Zoom Extents to center the model in the model window and make it fill the window as much as possible. That’ll make setting up the viewport in LayOut easier and more predictable.

Not sure why you opted for screenshots of the ISO views of the model but if you want to use screenshots, you might consider turning off the axes before making the screenshots.

Back to the Hybrid rendering: Have you tried exporting a PDF with the viewports set to Raster and high quality for the Viewport output? You might find that it’s good enough for what you need (many experienced users do) and they skip Hybrid altogether.

FWIW, this is a screenshot from the PDF enlarged on the screen to 100%.

[DaveR]

Another thought if you really want to use Hybrid rendering to get the vector edges would be to use stacked viewports. I created a group of everything but the 3D plants and trees and gave it a tag (really you ought to be splitting things up with the ground being one group and the house being another and so on.). In LayOut then, I created an additional layer and copied the viewport to that layer. For the top layer I turned only left the tag folder for the plants visible. For the bottom viewport I turned off the plants. Without the plants being displayed the viewport renders as Hybrid nearly instantly. Then the plants viewport can be left as Raster.