For me it’s symbiotic, Layout is not a
I couldn’t do what I do without SketchUp and I couldn’t do it without Layout.
I’m exactly on the same page. Layout could be better, but without it, I wouldn’t use Sketchup as I do. I would buy it if it was an independent product. Of course I would only buy it because I use Sketchup. Wouldn’t cross my mind if I wouldn’t, as it’s purpose is 2D Output from Sketchup. It would be interesting to have a Sketchup Pro version that would be cheaper and without Layout, as some users do not value/need it.
Even better would be to have a full fledged “LayOut Pro” that is up to par with SketchUp!
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I think most pros do separate Demolition and New Construction plans. That might simplify your workflow.
You are right, that would be much easier. But I work in Switzerland and here my example is the usual way and I have never seen separate plans. But thanks for your answer.
But I have a configuration in mind with scene and style combinations to achieve what I would like to, I just need some time to give it a try.
The standard here for building permit drawings is to show existing as either with black or grey fill, demolition with dotted lines, no fill and new construction with material hatches. We usually also do separate demolition plans for the demolition contractor. Nothing that cannot be achieved with styles and scenes and stacking viewports.
I do demolition plans by exporting existing and final model drawings as 2d CAD from Layout, then I import to SketchUp and intersect the lines, and separate into a group for each of the three types. This allows styling of each group and easy creation of elevations and sections which are mandatory here too.
I see what you mean. Unfortunately, I can’t change the expectations of the local building authority. The difficult part for me is the line color in the section cuts, also with the line color of the hatch patterns. But when I have found my workflow, I will get back to you with my solution.
These are interesting ideas! I’ve seen the dash line types for showing demolition plans before, for me what I do is I follow the condoc methodology just for the demolition aspect, in fact I use a lot of ideas in my workflow from the condoc methodology. My demolition plans are all coloured. Demolition plans are one of the last things I’ll do in my CD’s. I call this the E.D.P.A. (existing, demolished, proposed, amend). I have a colour system for each. E. = GREY, D = ORANGE, P=GREEN, A.= dark red. My construciton drawings are full of simple colour so that everything is easily viewed and understood with a colour communication legend I have on many pages. When I’m ready to show what is demolished, existing all that, I just quickly go around the entire model that I make a duplicate of and make it unique, I then colour all aspects with fredo paint tool since it easily lets me paint anythign nested and I very quickly have a plan that shows all views and everything in their colour, now the builder can see which is what extremely easily as my E.D.P.A. plans show just that and all in colour so nothing else is shown but those conditions. I feel like this is the simplest method I’ve found and one that is extremely easy to understand for everyone.
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This is a photo from Mike Brightman with condoc and how he does it, same as how I do it of what I just described and I have added the amend condition which shows the builder if one component that I’ll note needs to be amended like just siding needs replacing, etc.
Folks, I think it’s a very critical issue that this LO viewport - SU scene then accessing to SU tags CANNOT be replicated through relink the SU model - i.e. once relinked the model, all your precious LO viewport SU Tags settings are GONE…
Team, any good idea?
That should not happen, are you sure you did not “reset” the tags for the viewport?
Is there a way to turn off render of ones viewports:?
To set it to not show linestyles, and just present it as it is known in the sketchup scene?
Rendering linestyle per tag must be the reason viewport updates takes a long time. I would be fine with having my viewport render linestyles only before printing, and not showing up in my viewport. In fact I would prefer it, updates would be quicker, and linework would be easier to dimension.
If I need to check my linestyle settings I could then always turn on vector render with linestyles , and endure the lags coming from that with a smile, just as long as I don’t need to wait for that render all the time.
Stacking I believe is a crucial part of presentation. How would you propose creating a beautiful sketchup scene view with using only 1 viewport (the sketchup scene itself). The reason to stack is to have control over how the view is presented. Once the viewports are setup in layout having multiple viewports for one scene for example a viewport showing only structural below, etc, once that’s all setup, I then only have 1 scene in sketchup, multiple viewports in layout for that scene and if my tag structure doesn’t change as it doesn’t since I do repetitive work, than I never have to change those viewports again and I use the sketchup and layout file as a template and just focus on drawing, than all viewports for that new project update automatically. It’s just not possible to show everything we want to show on one view all with using only one scene in sketchup, that’s why layout viewport stacking is crucial, it’s the same concept as photoshop kind of and using photoshop for presentation is not ideal. I would say do all of it if you can in sketchup and layout and photoshop is if you’re really picky or have something unique or whatever in mind. Viewport stacking allows us to have beautiful plans which can’t be achieved using only 1 single viewport.
You’re missing out on a huge opportunity. To do what you’re trying to do, you need to try Skalp. Skalp will do exactly what you’re asking for and is the best section tool there is for that kind of stuff.
Works for me! Using Sketchup since 2000… never stacked a viewport… never stacked a viewport in Autocad either… able to control line weight, colour, style in paperspace independantly of modelspace…
Fair enough. Perhaps you have some killer presentations as well, my main point being that it’s just limiting. Stacking viewports gives more options (way more options), to some people those options make all the difference. I wish I didn’t have 7 stacked viewports which btw are just setup as a template so I don’t ever change them between projects, I wish instead I could present all that I want to present with 1 viewport, however that’s just not possible and the ability to stack viewports allows users of different backgrounds to do a lot of cool things that you couldn’t do with 1.
I was wondering…
A while back I asked about stroke style for inserted SketchUp viewports. My question was whether it was possible to have non-truncated corner style and the no-rounded and non-extended edge.
No it wasn’t.
So…
this problem with tag override in Layout would it be to some extent solved if the stroke style was as I had asked about?
In the screenshot above you can see that the thick lines (which are default) have a rounded end (the thin lines have their tag overridden to produce a thinner line). If it wasn’t a rounded end the thick lines would abut the thin lines precisely…?
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But then corners would probably look like this:
vector and hybrid viewports showing linework don’t look like that…? only if it’s raster…?
this is what my corners look like in Layout:
If SketchUp can resolve the tag override problem with vector and hybrid that I have shown I very much hope that it does not look like your image