Resize of a project in layout - not possible to resize from 1:100 to 1:50

[iborov]

I’m working on a project that’s currently in 1:100 scale and I need to rescale it to 1:50.
The issue is that my drawing contains so many objects and when selecting them the Scale tool doesn’t show the crosshairs for resize, so I can’t actually scale anything. There is both the model from sketchup and geometry drawn in layout.

I’ve been searching online for a solution or similar cases, but found nothing.
It’s honestly frustrating because there are many sheets and it feels like the only option is to redraw everything from scratch. How is it possible that the Scale tool just stops functioning in a design software when there is a bit more geometry.

If anyone has dealt with this or knows a workaround, I’d really appreciate some help.

I’ve uploded the part of the file in layout to be light enough.

Layout file - not scaling.layout (4.9 MB)

[DaveR]

You would need to set the scale for the viewport in the SketchUp Model panel or via the context menu when you have the viewport selected. The Scale tool is used only on LayOut drawing entites. Text would need to be resized via the Text Style panel.

If I were doing this I would ungroup everything, change the scale for the viewport and resize it, move and resize the text, and then scale any LayOut drawing entities. If those drawing entities had been made a Scaled Drawing in the first place, changing the scale from 1:100 to 1:50 would be as simple. You’d just select the new scale in the Scaled Drawing panel or in the Context menu.

I see that you have modified the Camera properties for the viewport in LayOut. Note the dark gray background and Reset button in the Camera section of the SketchUp Model panel.

That’s very likely to create a lot of work for you if it gets reset.

There’s really no reason you shouldn’t have a scene set up to show the plan as you need it. I would fix this before going to the work of changing the scale on everything.

Edit to add: I’ve been looking more at your LayOut file and the SketchUp model associated with it. I would suggest that you fix the incorrect tag usage making sure that all edges and faces are untagged. Then create tags for the objects in the model so you can control their visibility in the scenes in SketchUp and in the viewports within LayOut.

Set up the CAD import so it is aligned with the 3D model. Reset the model axes, first. Update the scenes as required.

In LayOut I would suggest that you create layers for the different entity types: viewports, LO drawing elements, dimensions, and text. The dimension and text lays should be at the top of the layers list so those entites don’t wind up behind the viewports or other drawn entities.

Again, use Scaled Drawings for those LO drawing elements such as the door swings and the dashed lines so that you can change their scale easily if needed. If you like adding the door swings in LayOut, I would suggest making a set of them for the different standard door widths using Scaled Drawings and then save them as scrapbook objects so you can drag them in easily and set their scale to suit.

Avoid modifying the Camera for viewports to maintain the connection with the scenes in the SketchUp model.

[iborov]

Dear DaveR,

thank you for the lighting fast reply all the directions that you gave me. It has been quite frustrating so far.
There already layers in place but the tags I’ll need to get them done.
One more question how would you solve the problem with different paper formats A3, A2 etc.
Im thinking to make two separate files. Does it is a good practice?

I’ll try everything and let you know and the community for results.

Have a great day!
!B

[DaveR]

@iborov

thank you for the lighting fast reply all the directions that you gave me.

You’re welcome.

@iborov

It has been quite frustrating so far.

I can understand that. It does look like you’ve kind of made some of this up as you’ve gone along and unfortunately not used the best workflow.

@iborov

One more question how would you solve the problem with different paper formats A3, A2 etc.
Im thinking to make two separate files. Does it is a good practice?

I think two separate documents might be the best practice because of the way text and dimensions might need to be laid out not to mention scales for viewports and drawing entities.

Another option you might consider, if you aren’t terribly concerned about the scale of the viewports, is to create the document to fit on A2 paper. Export a PDF for printing. If you need to print the thing on A3, simply choose A3 in the print setup in Adobe Reader or whatever you use for viewing and printing the PDF files. Fortunately the aspect ratio is the same so the document would shrink proportionately. Unfortunately the scale factor between the two paper sizes is the square root of 2. Going from A3 to A2, multiply by 0.707. That doesn’t make for good scaled views on the smaller paper.

[iborov]

Good morning.

“The morning is wiser than the evening.”

With new energy today I’ve started re-drawing the project. One more time DaveR thank you for your knowledge and directions.

I found also something why I cannot scale the drawing like I’ve always does so far.
It was because of the set “scaled drawing” of some groups - an option that I didn’t paid so much attention.

When I set it to “remove scale” I was able to see the scaling handles and able to rescale my drawing. I hope this can be a clue for someone that is in my situation.

I’ve posted some screenshots for better understanding.

1. the dots around a group show that the group is scaled (in my case 1:104)
2. I remove the scale from “scaled drawing” tray
3. I have the scaling handles back