Hi All, I have recently changed my scene management from Tags to using the outliner visibility.
Everything seemed to be working very well until I came back from the Christmas break. I have found one of my more complex models had turned on the visibility on most but not all scenes.
An example of this is, I have a 2 story model with a group for lower level as FL1 and a group for the upper level as FL2.
on a scene labeled (Upper floor plan) I turn off the visibility for FL1 and update the scene… this works perfect. I have come back from the break and now FL1 is turned on in that scene and I am unsure as to why.
There are more complex scenes where I have been more specific as to what was turned off on each level and these have also been affected.
this is not the first model this has occurred in but is by far the most affected model I have had. and I am now questioning the stability of the outliner tool.
Is there something I could have done that affects the outliner layers becoming visible?
First, they aren’t “outliner layers”. Outliner shows groups and components in the model space. If you are going to use Hide instead of tags for controlling visibility in your scenes you need to make sure that the scenes are saving the Hidden Objects property. If you change the Hide state of the components and groups in your model but don’t update the Hidden Objects property for the scene, thosechanges won’t stick.
Generally using tags is a better method for controlling object visibility in scenes. It’s easier to manage and you can manage object visibility per viewport in LayOut, too. You cannot hide or unhide groups and components in LayOut, though.
Thanks Dave,
I think I will go back to using Tags as much as possible.
There are still times when I would like to hide a group such as I have done in the image below. All my trusses are under the one Tag for ‘New trusses’ and I have grouped the different types inside a main group, I hid the main house trusses so I can elevate this one style, The scene was updated and for weeks has been working fine. but for some reason today the main roof truss was un-hidden and I dont know why.
would you recommend adding additional Tags to separate them?
I have used layer controls in layout but for this situation the outliner seemed better
I generally use components for this type of work, use lots of tags, and occasionally hide specific items in a scene. I have had few issues where things randomly show up - and usually it’s all around something becoming unique or being changed, or perhaps I accidentally made a copy of something… etc.
nothing changed in the house groups at all, I added a couple of new groups to the site plan info but other than that haven’t changed anything on the house model.
I wondered if adding new groups above the House levels affected the hierarchy somehow which I don’t believe it should. And also wondered if if the unhide all tool had caused this to happen. however I cant force it to happen again.
Only other thing I thought about trying was when updating the scenes I do it from the Scene Tray instead of right clicking the tabs above the drawing window as when you do this from the tray it ask specifically what you want to update.
But once again everything was working fine until coming back from a break.
Its not to hard to add a few more tags as suggested by Dave, it was just fast to use the outliner as the groups are already there and worked without the need to add additional tags.
I wanted to ask on here as it looked like a few people were using the outliner tool and Im sure im not the only one having this issue.
If you move groups into / out of other groups it will affect visibility… it might have been this.
Or you may not have updated the scene and didn’t notice.
Or you made a copy of the group (it might have been right over the top of the old one?).
Or if a copy of the group was inside of another group / component that was visible.
It is much easier (IMHO) to do this work with tags.
I have templates built with every tag I generally need (custom residential) and then I have about 20 ‘X’ tags that are all off that I can use if I need something odd like this that doesn’t fit the template.
