After selecting an object in my model (aka double-clicking into an object - nested or otherwise), I want to be able to quickly see and select that object in the outliner without having to manually expand to it. See also Outliner not auto-expanding
If you’ve already selected it why do you want to select it again on the outliner?
To see where it resides in the outline? I lose track of stuff, or over next, or whatever, and this would be a very helpful feature.
Yes, it would be a very helpful feature. When is nested in a few levels is tedious.
Yes, I want to see where the object resides in the outline. My instinct is to visually follow the outliner as I dig into each level in the model, but that doesn’t happen. Currently, we have to “dig” through the nest in the model to get to the object and then go to the outliner and manually expand it one level at a time to see it in the hierarchy. That’s tedious, as rtches stated.
I’d also like to be able to move the object to another level in the hierarchy from the outliner. If I can automatically see it in the outliner after selecting it in the model, then I don’t have to manually expand the outliner to select it for the move.
There is a nice tip if you find something inside outliner. Is there a way to assign keycombo to do vice-versa? any specific plugin or script?
SU 2022 Outliner will jump from group to group, and from component to component, and also into groups.
SU 2023 doesn’t jump from group to group or into groups. But it does jump from component to component and into components containing groups or components and from components to groups. So, if you want to use 2023 like 2022, you can try a workaround. Use components where/when you would formerly have used groups. Open the Details setting in Outliner and select, “Expand All”.
SU 2022 Outliner:
SU 2023 Outliner (janky demo but hopefully gets the point across):
This could be worst if you have more than one level nested…
I agree with you. The Outliner problems in 2023 are very frustrating. I’ve been trying to create other work arounds but have not succeeded yet.
Would you not just stay with 2022? The more I hear about 2023 the less I am inclined to switch. My main concern is if 2024 has problems because some plugins only support the last 2 versions.
I only use 2023, the mac version works well form me. Bugs ar not a reason to use 2022 at least at the moment.
And which extensions would that be?? Never encountered an extension that only supports the last 2 versions…
yeah, the only way an extension would NOT support let’s say anything before SU2022 would be that is was released in 2022.
you can see it with Trimble visualizer, released in 2023, only supports 23 for now.
When we get an issue with support, it’s the other way around. The dev stopped working on it, and it’s advertised as supporting until say SU2019. You can still install it, try it, but know that after 19, no guarantees. in general it works, haven’t had many plugins that stopped even without the support.
You can remain in SU22 if you want. it will be supported by trimble until 2025 (warehouse stuff).
The current version of the extension I’ve used to import and manipulate point clouds for over 6 years (Undet) presently supports 2022 & 2023 and in the past has often only supported the last 2 versions.
Yes, your 2022 example is what I expect, but doesn’t work (for me) in 2023. Thanks for pointing this out!
Oke, I see…
But Undet seems to work with versions (current version 23) and are only backwards compatible for 1 SketchUp version. So @ateliernab seems to be correct in his answer.
Maybe older versions of Undet still work with older files?
Usually I like trying the newest shiny versions of things. But I read some comments that had me postpone for a few months. Now I have both installed. SU 2023 has a few very cool things going, like Visualizer and Overlays. My guess is that they’re working on laying foundations for some cool integrations in the future (compare TC Web and TC Desktop, the Layers and Objects panels) and need to make changes moving forward.
The SU 23 glitches (like renaming named groups back to “group” and having to click 5 times to name a group) don’t interfere that much. It has had me rethinking using the Outliner so much - for whatever reason I like naming and nesting everything but some pros seem to be using mostly tagging and not Outliner and their results speak for them.
I hope I have this right but I believe it was Marius who logged onto my computer and fixed an issue with Undet that I had. Is that great software and better customer support in action or what!? I’m not sure/don’t recall but it seems Undet uses Trimble Realworks ‘in the background’. Realworks and Scan Essentials are going to be supported moving forward (I presume), so it would seem Undet will keep up with SU 23 changes.
If SU 22 is working for you and you’ve got everything dialed in - stick with it. Try a dual install and add SU 23 just to check it out and take a look at TC, Visualizer and SE in Layout. Then if SU 24 handles some of the problems that have cropped up in 23, you’ll be set to switch SU and Undet.
I agree Undet’s support is absolutely fantastic & Marius has been a saviour for me on a number of occasions.
Regarding Tags v Outliner, I suppose its horses for courses. I’ve really tried hard to make Tags work having read the recommendations on here, but for what I do the Outliner is just perfect and I want to stick with it. Its great to see everything arranged in such a logical way and the ability to nest groups is brilliant. Tags obviously work for plenty of others so I guess its down to your workflow. I think I will just stick with 2022 and see what 2024 brings. Here’s hoping…