Using Layout to create an elevations drawing - a few "WTF's?"

OK, going pretty good until I decided I need a section and developed in the original drawing.

Now I find it completely impossible to get it into LO. I’ve created a scene (6), saved it, etc but when I go to Insert it I get the front elevation and no option to select Scene 6. I’ve tried Send to LO in SketchUp, via a new template then copying and pasting and get the same result.

I’ve tried quiting out of each and reopening.

It cannot be possible that you can’t go back to a model, edit it then go back to Layout and add a scene that wasn’t in the original saved model.

Like I told you, DO NOT SEND TO LayOut more than once. Since you’ve modified the Sketchup model, save the update. Then right click on a viewport in the LayOut document and choose Update Model Reference. After that you should be able to select your new scene.

You’re right. It is actually possible to go back to the SketchUp model and make updates and then have them carry over to the LayOut file.

I think you would be wise to take the time to go through the LayOut tutorials at learn.sketchup.com

I beg your pardon - you did say that… I’m trying to take on too much too quickly…

OK, that worked. Now I’ve come back to the Section I was able to view a vertical cut but then added a horizontal one for the plan and now can’t view any - I have section planes and checked in View, Section Cuts likewise and now it won’t display them.

I can’t find any way to select different cuts either

Trying to find the answer to switch between cuts - so I could just view the horizontal cut - and found your article 'Slicing a Model to Peer Inside | SketchUp Help. I don’t even have the Display Section Cuts tool in my menu… ?!..

Does the style associated with those scenes have section cuts enabled. Are the appropriate section cuts active in the scenes? Have you modified the scenes in LayOut? Is there a Reset All button in the SketchUp Model panel? Share the LO file so we can see what you’ve got going on.

I’m not even aware that half those things are things… it was all working fine earlier…

SU and LO files attached

NickShed2023.skp (397.3 KB)
NICKSWORKSHOP2023-PLAN.layout (8.5 MB)

In the LayOut file, if you right-click on the model’s viewport, and choose the Update Model Reference that Dave mentioned, then you will see Scene 6 in the list of scenes you can select in the SketchUp Model panel.

It might make sense to give the scenes names based on what the scene is showing, but if you stick with numbers and want them to be in numeric order, you can select scene 6 in the Scenes panel in SketchUp, and click the down arrow in the scenes panel to move scene 6 to the end of the list.

After it is in the right place you would then Save, and back in LayOut do another Update Model Reference.

I’m not sure where to start but first you need to get your SketchUp model sorted out. Your section cut for the plan view wasn’t active when I opened the file. Neither was the one for the end section for that scene. I set up the scenes correctly and gave them names so you don’t have to remember what Scene 6 is supposed to show. Step through the scenes in the SketchUp file and take note how the front, back, right, and left views all show the model from the same camera height and zoom level. This makes aligning the scenes in LO easier.

Also, I gixed the incorrect tag usage. ALL edges and faces should created and remain untagged. This is one of the same issues from a year ago.
Screenshot - 9_11_2023 , 7_20_27 PM
I also purged unused stuff from the file.
Screenshot - 9_11_2023 , 7_20_45 PM

The roof in the upper copy of the model is all loose geometry and and there are a lot of incorrectly oriented faces in the lower one. There should be no exposed blue back faces in your model.

Here are the files. In the LayOut file I set up viewports for the elevations on the first sheet.
NickShed2023.skp (475.7 KB)

NICKSWORKSHOP2023-PLAN dr.layout (8.8 MB)

When you initally open the LayOut file you will probably need to relink to the PDF logo file and you should relink to the downloaded .skp file, too. This will be done in File>Document Setup>References.

I really think you would save yourself a ton of frustration and wasted time if you would go through the tutorials for both SketchUp and LayOut at learn.sketchup.com.

Yes, I know the model isn’t great - it’s not mine (was created by the builder) and I really didn’t want to have to redraw it all - in hindsight it would probably have been easier… I did my best to only group and only tag the groups - thought I had it.
Yes, neither section cut wasn’t active but why? and how to fix? I really appreciate your input but doing this for me isn’t going to help me in the long run - I just need tips on what I need to do. I didn’t know you should set the camera height/zoom the same.
If I get another draughting job I will for sure train up. I didn’t have much time to get these drawings done and hoped I could wing it a bit. If you remember I’m actually a carpenter and I don’t often get/need to use SU. It’s super-useful when I do but I don’t have too much time to fully train up especially when I’ll likely have forgotten everything by the time I come back 9 months/a year later.

Thank you very much for your patience and assistance. Really very much appreciated
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at some point in your process they had been made inactive. To make a section uct active, right click on it and choose Active Cut. Easiest to do that in Outliner.

Understood on the usage. I’m thinking that you would find it useful, though, to use SketchUp and LayOut even if it’s only for your own reference. If youcan take some time to learn to use the applications, you should be able to quickly work through a project to get details for quoting materials, permits if needed, even just to make sure you and your client are on the same page. It’s kind of embarrassing when you build a lovely three-car garage and then find out the client wanted a tire swing.

Good luck with the project.

Hey Dave
Point of note: Had another go, and was going well until I found a missing detail in SU model (a floor slab) added it and a new Scene (the section view) but couldn’t get LO to see it. Also, in the sketch up model it wouldn’t ‘cut’ on the section plane - I could still see the whole thing if I panned around in a 3D view.
Fixed it by deleting plane and ‘reinserting’ and then by Relinking SU model rather than Updating, which wasn’t working.
Got the hang of it now, some pretty sweet drawings and a bullet-point process checklist written out for next time so thanks again

Glad to know you’re making making forward progress. I expect Relinking would have taken care of it. IF LayOut is looking at the SketchUp file you were editing, updating the reference would be all you need. I’m guessing you were working with your original SketchUp model and my LayOut file.

Nope, both my files - you’d used a different template so it seemed easier to just start from scratch, and good to go thru the process to ‘install it’ on my head HD!..

New issue Dave!

Printing PDFs of Layout files. File only shows the Template I’ve drwan on. Exported the file as PDF. PDF shows original template above the drawn/edited version.

Why is the original template showing up??

THanks

Share the LO file and PDF so I can see what you are working with and getting.

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503WorkshopElevations2023.pdf (316.0 KB)
503WorkshopElevations2023.layout (1.5 MB)
Thanks!

This is what I see in your LayOut and PDF files. They seem to match.

Page 1 LayOut:

Page 1 PDF:

Page 2 LayOut:

Page 2 PDF:

Are you seeing something different?

OK, I’ve just discovered the left & right arrows top-right of LO window… and now I see the original template if I click ‘left’/‘previous page’…

Yes, I see both pages next to each other in one PDF:

How do I get rid of the first page?

Thanks

Go to the Pages panel in the tray, highlight the Cover Page and then click the minus symbol at the top.
Screenshot - 9_26_2023 , 9_14_06 PM

Why don’t you create your own template to suit your work?

I thought I did, or at least had edited the stock to suit - I didnt realise that the original template remained in the file…

It’s not that the original template remained in the file, it’s that you only edited the second page of the original template.