Opinion poll for a full SketchUp on iPad

I DO NOT WANT THIS!

As I think sketch3d_de was the first to say this would split development resources even more. Instead I think my.sketchup should be improved to work offline.

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Wouldn’t this miss the point of my.sketchup? Also, SketchUp (Make / Pro) already fills the offline use gap.

Nope.

It was 10 years ago I saw a laptop docked to a standalone screen and keyboard for the first time. No matter how small the computing devices themselves will get I don’t see the workstation with a proper big keyboard, a large screen and an ergonomic chair go away within at least a couple of decades. Hobbyists will abandon it in favor of neck pain and shortsightedness but pros will continue to use it.

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I’m not talking of office use but to use it on handheld devices when the connection goes down or when you enter a tunnel or you have used up your data for the month etc. It would still be a web app running in the browser, just supporting running offline. I don’t know how much my.sketchup relies on the servers to run but modern web browsers support caching of web apps for offline use.

my.sketchup running on my iPad pro. No real way to enter numbers, etc. And orbit / zoom confused by multi touch. clumsy. i really don’t have a need for this - my MacBook Pro is small enough I take it to pretty much any meeting where I might need to model on the fly. The iPad (with the viewer, that I will be loading today since my new iPad can handle it) will deal with PDF reading, annotation, and sharing models in meetings without need of mouse / drafting.

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@sketch3d_de, you missed a choice. There are a number of users that have said they wouldn’t pay anything for a desktop app running on a tablet. (ie, we are the “Please don’t waste time and money on this” crowd, and now we can not add our votes in on this poll.)

And now that votes are cast, no more options can likely be added (unless you begin a completely new thread with a revamped poll.)

+1. Am I reading the poll wrong? Looks like 3 people voted.

So far, that is correct, and they all want it as a second install option with their normal Pro license.

@sketch3d_de, you also missed the option saying “Polls were options can be added later are unreliable because the option that really is the most popular can still get the least votes because it was added too late afetr a bunch of people had already voted” :stuck_out_tongue: .

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I’ll probably get somebody upset with what I’m about to say, and of course I could be wrong, but I think that anybody who uses SketchUp to any serious extent realizes the uselessness of modelling on an iPad. I understand the benefits of quick drafting, and that’s where I think my.SketchUp comes in handy for a tablet (after all, how many times do you end up in a design meeting without internet access). But when it comes down to the real thing, (architectural drafting in my case), I see no way that a touch screen could yield half of the speed or accuracy I can achieve with my laptop, trackball and SpaceNavigator.

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I don’t see the usefulness. I can see the usefulness of presenting on an iPad, rotating a model, reviewing documents or a model - but if going to model I want control - mouse and keyboard are key to that until I get a Bluetooth brain implant.

If I’m going to work through and idea without my laptop in a design meeting I open up my sketchbook. The paper kind. And I sharpen a Blackwing pencil.

(Although I just got an iPad Pro 12.9" and an Apple Pencil and am interested in drawing with it…)

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  • NO, don’t want
  • YES, want it free for SU Pro licencees
  • YES, would pay a little bit of money
  • YES, would spent even more bucks
  • YES, would purchase even if pricing in the area of the desktop license
  • you missed an option nobody than me needs
  • what are you polling about?

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Sorry to surprise you but there are already laptop workstations. A workstation is nothing more than a computer that’s networked and is more powerful than a personal computer. Size has nothing to do with it. I just got back from an Intel conference and they showing off workstations the size of a NUC. The marketplace for smaller PC’s and more powerful tablets is already here. Graphene-based microchips and Neuromorphic computing have been in development for many years now. Sketchup, like every other product, will have to follow the marketplace or go belly up. It’s already falling behind.

That’s because you’re thinking of yesterdays tablets, and not the ones currently available. Check out this app available for the new iPad Pro (10.5);

I have used this with the Apple Pencil and it is much more natural feeling to design with it VS. a PC with a trackball (and I love my trackball). It feels much more instinctive to design this way. It is every bit as accurate and at least twice as fast as working on any PC/trackball. Watch some of the tutorials. Designing on the new 10.5 iPad Pro W/Pencil will spoil you, and there’s a new version of Shapr3D just around the corner. Combine that with the new much more powerful version of iOS 11 coming this fall, and this sets a new standard for mobile 3D CAD. There are other programs like this coming soon like AutoDesk Fusion 360 for the iPad Pro so SketchUp will either need to compete with these programs or fall way behind. I’m betting they’re already working on a new app.

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I don’t think @eneroth3 was saying there are no laptop workstations, but that specifically in the workstations of her field – architecture, I believe – conventional, larger setups will be around for a couple of decades, and I agree. I know I’ll still use one for that long, anyway. As a draftsman, I’m currently working on the largest project I’ve done so far – an aircraft hangar and flight school, and I can’t imagine trying to keep the project under control on a screen the size of my palm.

I’m not denying the power of modern tablets; I’m saying that if you had to create, from scratch, in two weeks, blueprints, renderings, and animations for a 50,000 square foot flight school – interior and exterior – you would be thankful for two screens. When one works past midnight every night for two weeks, to keep the job on schedule, he’s glad for an ergonomic chair.

I haven’t heard that it’s falling behind, maybe that’s true, but to my understanding, SketchUp is more interested in “3D for everyone” than in “following the marketplace” – which I guess could mean that it will come out on the iPad, if the folks at SketchUp feel that they’ll get 3D to more of the everyone. We’ll see…

I’m saying that I don’t see a need in my line.

@AngelArs What do you use SketchUp for, if I may ask?

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We may be talking about two different things. I was addressing the fact that the industry is moving to smaller, more mobile and more powerful devices, not what a handful of specific consumers may or may not want to buy. Those consumers who may want something that will no longer be offered in the main marketplace can always custom build their devices. However If they expect to walk into a computer store 10 years from now and hope to find a dinosaur of a computer for sale on the shelves, they may be disappointed at what the marketplace has to offer.

I’m sure that’s true, but no one was referencing screens. It is the computers and mobile devices (that will be powering those screens) which will be getting smaller and more powerful. You can already use an iPad Pro as a second computer monitor, but these are mobile devices and that’s not a feature the market has shown interest in.

Exactly. They will need to follow the market and as mentioned the market has been very clear which direction it is going. People vote with their pocketbook and no company is immune to that :slight_smile:

Mostly learning pre-product design.

I think we can agree at least on that point :slight_smile: (I’ll let others like @eneroth3 speak for themselves) Of course I don’t care how big or small my computer itself is so long as it processes for me at the speeds I need. But when you say[quote=“AngelArs, post:38, topic:26541”]
no one was referencing screens.
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you’re wrong. @eneroth3 's old post that you responded to said[quote=“eneroth3, post:25, topic:26541”]
I don’t see the workstation with a proper big keyboard, a large screen and an ergonomic chair go away within at least a couple of decades.
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and I said

No matter that iPads can be used as second monitors – I still can’t manage my large projects on two of them; it would take more like five or six to make up the same screen area I use right now. And people’s projects won’t get any smaller in the future, so I don’t see their workstations getting smaller.

So back to the bottom line, if I bought an iPad to do my work, I’d still have to use the same workstation I’m using now, so it’s better to stay with a laptop or desktop and an already developed software.

Again, I could be wrong, but I think with regards to SketchUp, the iPad camp is the handful at this point, not us.

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I think many folks would agree that Layout Pro needs a LOT of work right now, and that a high-performing Layout has far more value to the community than attempting to fork the codebase into obsolescent hardware.

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Exactly. And that is how the marketplace generally feels today too. There is no need to have a bulky computer staring back at you when a small computer with a large processor can do so much more. The iPhone 7 and now the iPad Pro actually have higher benchmarks than many desktop computers. Same with the Intel NUC. Software companies need to be writing code for these devices if they want to stay in the game.

Obviously, since Sketchup doesn’t have compatible software yet for the iPad Pro. Hence this thread :wink:

This is not the hardwares fault.

We have clients that use iPad Pros wirelessly with projectors projecting 125 inch images. It’s the image size that matters, not the box that’s holding it. You can connect any iPad Pro to any HDMI monitor, either via a cable or wirelessly. These same iPad Pros can now use software like Autodesk Formit. Why? Because that’s where the computer industry is going, smaller, mobile, more powerful. If SketchUp doesn’t offer something in the mobile marketplace soon they will be left behind.

You may not need mobility yet, but I assure you there is a very strong market for more powerful mobile devices like the new iPad Pro. It’s well known in the industry that several Sketchup developers left to develop mobile programs like Autodesk Formit. Many of the larger companies understand that mobile devices are no longer playing second fiddle. They are here to stay. The software companies that make professional programs for these new, more powerful mobile devices (like Shaper3D, Formit, and Affinity Photo) will thrive, and companies lagging behind with nothing to offer will lose out in the end. Sketchup doesn’t have to stop working on the desktop software, they just need to get their head in the mobile game since that’s where everything is headed.

I had not seen an iPad Pro, until a TV ad last night. It looks like an MS Surface without the touchpad (ie a small footprint on the keyboard.)

So, I guess I can see the owners of these wanting a modeling app of some kind to run on this device.

Did anyone say above, why the my.sketchup cloud implementation (if it gets better touch support) would not meet the desires of iPad Pro owners ?

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