Layout and Sketchup running very slow and not updating

Layout is running very slow and so is Sketchup. When I’ve updated the modeling Layout not only does it not update, it removes recent updates and reverts to an old model which no longer exists. I have been working on the same model for more than a year since the client continues to make changes. The budget has been reduced so the model is becoming simpler, not more complicated.

Another problem is that when I send to Layout from Sketchup and then render the model into Vector or Raster and try to convert the style to “Hidden Line”, areas of the model get filled in with black. Or they simply maintain their color instead of becoming all white and black.

Some of this sounds like graphics card issues. What version of SketchUp? Your profile is incomplete.

Can you share the SKP and LayOut files so we/I can take a look? If you can’t make them public, upload them to DropBox and share the link via a private message.

Sketchup 2019, and I’m on a MacBook Pro with the latest Mojave update. Sketchup as well was just deleted and re-installed to make sure there was no corruption problem. I haven’t had this problem before, and it only seems to be the two programs that are doing this.

I have been using Sketchup for 11 years, but not for architectural work with layout until the last three. So this is the first time I’ve tried this forum. I don’t know how to make the model public, which I have no problem with. I have dropbox but I don’t know how to share the models/file with this forum.

Can you give me some guidance?

After you’ve uploaded the file to DropBox, click on Share and then get the link which you can copy and paste into a forum post or into a PM to me if you don’t want to post it for the world to see.

Sketchup 2019, and I’m on a MacBook Pro with the latest Mojave update. Sketchup as well was just deleted and re-installed to make sure there was no corruption problem. I haven’t had this problem before, and it only seems to be the two programs that are doing this.

I have been using Sketchup for 11 years, but not for architectural work with layout until the last three. So this is the first time I’ve tried this forum. I don’t know how to make the model public, which I have no problem with. I have dropbox but I don’t know how to share the models/file with this forum.

SU Library(https://www.dropbox.com/s/0tb9nvuhza384yn/Library%20Screening%20w-o%20Woodwork.layout?dl=0)

Not sure if I did this correctly.

That worked. How about the LayOut file, too?

There should be two files. The Sketchup file and the Layout file, but it looks like only the Layout loaded so here the Sketchup modelLibrary Sketchup

The DropBox link leads to a SketchUp file that shows this:

No LayOut file.

That is the Sketchup file. Let me try the layout again. My dyslexia may be getting the better of me.

Library Layout

This is definitely the layout.

LayOut file is downloading now.

Once you can see the layout file, you can look at the elevations on A03 and see some of the problems I wrote about. Some of the walls are rendered as black blocks, and I couldn’t render 5/03 in black and white without loosing too much to this blackness, so I rendered with one of the other choices of styles.

I’m sorry but I have to leave for a town meeting that I’m chairing. You have been very kind and patient. I don’t know if you have any ideas about this, but I could definitely use the help. I will be delighted to respond again tomorrow if you have the time and the inclination.

thanks a million,
Bennett

I can see a major problem with your work flow. Basically you aren’t using SketchUp and LayOut together correctly. You haven’t created scenes in your SketchUp file to use for the viewports in the LayerOut file. It appears you have been setting up views in the SketchUp file then copying and pasting the view to LayOut. This creates a whole raft of problems. First, this creates individual SKP references for each viewport. Effectively there are 10 different SketchUp files embedded in your LO file but none of them link to the original SKP file that you have been working on.

Since this SKP file is no longer being used as a reference, nothing you do in that original SKP file will show in the LO file.

The other problem this creates is that all of your viewports are tied to the Last saved SketchUp view. They all show as modified, too. Even if you relink the original SKP file to replace all those references, the fact the scenes show as modified means there’ll be no update to the viewports. If you select the scene from the dropdown list and reselect Last saved SketchUp view, all of your viewports will be screwed up because the last saved view won’t match what they show now.

The correct method for working with SketchUp and LayOut is to create a scene in SketchUp for each view of the model you’ll need in the document. Then in LayOut, select the desired scene for the viewport. Do not copy and paste from SketchUp to LayOut. Send the SketchUp file to LayOut to create the first viewport and then copy that viewport within the document to create the other viewports. Select the desired scene from the list in the SketchUp Model panel (shown at right in the previous image). And best practice is to avoid creating modified scenes in LO and to avoid using Last saved View.

Another thing I noticed while waiting for your LO file to download, is that you haven’t been using layers correctly in SketchUp. You have base geometry (edges and faces) assigned to layers other than Layer 0. All geometry should be created on and remain on Layer 0. Only groups and components should get assigned other layers.

As for SketchUp running slowly, purging unused stuff would be a big help. There’s quite a lot of unused stuff in that SketchUp file you uploaded.
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In LayOut, a lot of the slowness is due to the 10 different SKP file references. If you had set up scenes properly the entire document could be done with just one SketchUp model reference and that would help speed it up.

That is correct. I could never properly teach myself to use scenes so instead, I use a different Sketchup Model for each elevation and/or section. So for the one set of lay-out drawings for this project, there are, perhaps 9 or 10 different Sketchup models, all variation on the master model, but with potentially different pieces of information in each, appropriate for the specific elevation.

I don’t copy and paste from sketchup, but I do send each individual view(model) to layout and then I copy and paste that to the master set of drawings since I don’t know how to send it directly to the set I’m working on. It is probably a very jury-rigged process to accommodate the holes in my knowledge.

I am completely self taught, except for some tutorials, and I work in isolation so I can’t discuss these problems with colleagues.

Sorry. This is fascinating and I appreciate your input. It is very impressive to me that you can discern all of this information so quickly. I must leave.

Thank you so much,
Bennett

Unfortunately your work flow has created a pretty good mess. Maybe we should talk tomorrow.

You might want to also go through the stuff at SketchUp.com/learn

Thanks for the feedback. I will try to give some of the scene tutorials another shot. The thing that is a little curious is that I have done an earlier revision of this same set based on a greater quantity of sketchup models, and sketchup did not slow down, at least not nearly as much as now.

I’ve attached the weightier earlier version just in case you were curious.

Library Layout from 2018

Thanks again for your feedback and your patience.

Bennett