2020.2 Update

Hi Dave

As you know, I haven’t upgraded yet, but why does the default style need dashes turning on if the Line Style for each Tag can be overridden in Layout?

So, in Sketchup a Component’s Tag could have a solid Line Style, but in Layout, this can be overridden to be a Dashed Line Style for that Tag.

Mike

In order to be able to control the line weight in the Tags section in LayOut, the style needs to have Dashes enabled so that one of the Dash styles will be shown. This includes that solid line style that everyone wondered about before. You could leave the Dashes turned off in the main style and select a different one for the viewport in LO but there’s no need, really. Leave Dashes enabled in the main style in the SU model but don’t select any dashes styles there. Save the dashes settings for LO.

Yes. You could leave the tags set to the Default setting in SU and only make the Dashes setting in LO.

I checked out the line width on tags feature in Layout 2020.2 … and I thank it will have significant value.

2D drawings have relied on line width both as an artistic tool … and as a means to convey important contextual information … more or less forever. But Layout has always been found wanting in this department.

Dashed lines were added to SketchUp in the recent past … but were of marginal utility (in my opinion) because you could still not control the line width in Layout. Thus I have been drawing column grids in Layout (so I could control line widths). But the drawing of the grids themselves was always a bit problematic. I could get what I needed … but it was always a bit tedious.

Now I will be able to include column grids as separate “Tags” in the SketchUp model … and have control over the line widths in Layout.

I did a quick test on a recent project … and it seemed to work. Will try it out on a new project later this week … I expect it to work just fine. Will require some changes to my workflow … but the more of the line drawing I can do in SketchUp the better … so no real problem there.

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Good afternoon !, can be added to SketchUp, save work space, import and export work space

Apologies to those who have problems with Layout…

For me selection and transformation, so far, seems more snappy and quicker than before.

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@egodsey: As you get on, we’d love to see what your projects are looking like and how we can improve the process. I hope you’ll share your feedback.

In Layout - the layers are still showing - layout hasn’t ‘moved across’ to tags…!!

Layout has Layout Layers and can use Sketchup Tags.
Layers in layout are different to Layers/Tags in Sketchup, which is one reason for the name change in Sketchup.

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What’s the actual version number of this release?

My windows Sketchup Pro shows it as 20.2.172; is that the most recent?

ThankS!

From the release notes.
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thanks Box
just trying to work through a tutorial that refers to Layouts ‘Tags’ not Layers…therefore the drop down menus aren’t the same…
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thanks Sam
Layout 2020 - version 20.2.171
Mac

What tutorial. I expect it was referring to tags related to the SketchUp viewports.

Tags in the SketchUp Model panel, Layers in the Layers panel.

I don’t know what tutorial that may be, LayOut does not have tags per-se. Rather, it now allows manipulation of SketchUp tags, which greatly reduces the need for scenes in SketchUp. LayOut continues to have a separate notion of Layers, which act much the same as in other 2D drawing apps.

thanks DaveR - I believe you are correct.
and thanks for your time too slb…
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@colin, @slbaumgartner, @AK_SAM, @DaveR, @JQL, @Box, @paul.mcalenan @adam, @Mark, @eneroth3 . Tagging some people now. This video I’ve made linked below is talking about my thoughts on viewport stacking and interpretting Matt Doneleys video the one on youtube titled “SketchUp 2020.2 Line Style Override in LayOut Feature Review | Change dash, color, width by tag”. I would love anyones opinion on my little investigation here and my thoughts on the subject as I know the people tagged know a lot about the programs.

I hope some of my methods shown in this video helps people in determing their best workflow and gets the Layout and Sketchup team to carefully think about how they change things up for the next updates. I personally love how it’s setup right now. Although I don’t fully understand the over ride features in total detail, I think it’s better than it was before but definitely trying to get less scenes in sketchup and more viewports in layout instead.

Watch video I’ve made here (11 min video)

https://infoarayacad-my.sharepoint.com/:v:/g/personal/info_arayahomes_com/Ea7z-AVHGZlBpJHELTm-nhIB6yQQRYxAvuARPLE6socjhw?e=ttwrwf

Tucker, generally what you talk about in the video accords with my workflow

thanks for sharing!

you didn’t mention it and it wasn’t clear from your video…

I have a ‘master’ SU model that I work on with some code to enable tag state toggles assigned to keyboard shortcuts

this allows me to have minimal scenes in the master model

I then have a number of other SU files that reference the master model where I set up scenes for floor plans, elevations, section, etc.

That’s interesting @paul.mcalenan, would you mind explaining a bit more either on here in over a video say, would love the insight in making my workflow better.

Having a hard time or? No worries chief, won’t happen again.

I rather do everything I can inside SketchUp and seldomly touch layout. I have all the scenes I need in order to create the stacked viewports I need. I don’t want to deal with tags in one software and then deal with tags again in the next software. Also doing that allows me to really control what I will see and draw masks for everything else in SU. Those masks solve a lot of issues.

The only requirement I have been asking for a long time is that each tag in SketchUp can be translated to a CAD layer when exporting DWG from Layout.

I don’t work with templates with stacked viewports as in most my projects the layout file evolves from start to finish. At start it requires a single viewport, at permit it requires too many, at construction documentation it requires only two.

I have a lot of scenes but I manage them by never touching them and having a working scene that I use to change every layer visibility I need. It’s much more direct this way as it’s wysiwyg. In layout I often get lost on which stacked viewport I’m selecting and often erase one by mistake. In SketchUp I see each stack as by tapping a button as it is a single scene.