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#262

Think about them as alternative facts, this way they can’t be wrong :wink:


#263

I did just change it since people seem to assume that it the only way to ask others what version they are using. That said, my position still stands that the change of satellite imagery still sucks. I cannot seem to get enough detail for it to be worth using. I have read on the forum comments that pro users will have some glorious option but I haven’t seen it. If you know where one can find it please let me know as I’m getting pretty frustrated with this software at this point.


#264

Julia;

I’m glad we agree the Digital Globe images are inferior to the Google images. I don’t think anyone disagrees on that point. And by maintain my shrill pitch on that subject I hope keep the pressure on Trimble to fix the problem as soon as possible. They have made statements to the effect they are trying but such statements have been too vague and generalized to give us anything useful as to when the fix might be implemented.

As to your comments regarding your beliefs regarding the truth or falsity of Trimble’s representations about whether the downgrade is Google’s fault or Trimble’s business decision, here are the reasons I belief Trimble is not being candid with this forum. First, Trimble’s statement, via Bryce, that Google does not “give away” their data is true but misleading. Google does not give away their data. But they do sell it under terms and conditions that are published on their website. Bryce’s statements from last week are, therefore, not on point even if he did not actually intend to mislead the forum. But the conversation has evolved substantially since last week because I have asked Bryce, Jody, and James to directly address the question of whether or not the data is for sale by Google under terms that would allow the type of use needed by SketchUp users. And I have obviously accused them very publicly of making false statements to this forum regarding the availability of the data. As of now, none of them has responded in an unambiguous way to my very pointed accusation. Even though I am publicly calling them out to do so. I can tell you that if someone called me out in such public fashion my response would be immediate, clear, direct, and unambiguous. I regard their silence as confirmation that my accusations are true.

I have put in several phone calls to Google to clarify there terms and conditions and hope to be able to report back, and hopefully have a written statement from a Google representative, shortly regarding what exactly is allowed and what exactly is not allowed under their various plans.

Finally, now that my message has been heard loudly and clearly, I will commit to you and all other members of this forum that I will not again use all caps, cuss words, or otherwise engage in uncivil messaging. That does not mean that I will not point out what I believe to be Trimble’s wrongful conduct when I see it or that I will drop the topic before Trimble implements a remedy to the problem.

Thank you for your consideration of the topic. And I hope you will at least support my call for a prompt remedy to the problem.

Frank


#265

That’s false.


#266

Just to let you know, I am not a fan boy or a sun boy but I did flag a post of you because , like many other Make users of SketchUp , or any other software if you would ask me , don’t take time to read any TOS , they would just agree and go on with the program. I flagged the post because you violated this :
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10. INDEMNITY

You agree to hold harmless and indemnify Trimble and its subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, agents, and employees from and against any claim, suit or action arising from or in any way related to your use of the Software or your violation of these Terms and Conditions, including any liability or expense arising from all claims, losses, damages, suits, judgments, litigation costs and attorneys’ fees, of every kind and nature. In such a case, Trimble will provide you with written notice of such claim, suit or action."

Personally , I feel that the impact of Google’s prior decision of giving a free version of SketchUp (When owning them) had a great impact on further development of the software as is. Yes , I did read


and , for what it is worth , I am a pro user since version 5, upgrading and maintenancing ever since, so the total would be a new licence price now. Not like any other software I know of. Repeatedly saying Trimble making promisses to (not) paying customers doesn’t make it so. Take your beef with Trimble on a direct level, gather others with you , if you like, but don’t use this platform, you can create you’re own.
Personally, if I would have to pick a lawyer, I would pick one who would take the time in reading all the EULA and not the lawyer that would encourage violating TOS overall, especially Trimble. Grabbing a (good) Image isn’t the problem. It is the implementation in the software via the API which violates Google TOS, as it seems for five years now, already.
You might as well try to stand up against Google, though not on this platform, since they took our data and sell it.


#267

I had a play with the adebeo_DanielTall_GEMaker extension and Google Pro Images and the quality is good…

they overlaid nicely onto the DG terrain added in SU…

I think it could be further automated at least on a mac, but it’s not too arduous…

however the Attributions ‘should’ be reinstated to the cropped images, this IS Google’s main demand…

[Attribution Guidelines for Google Maps and Google Earth]
(https://www.google.co.uk/permissions/geoguidelines/attr-guide.html)

All uses of Google Maps and Google Earth Content must provide attribution to both Google and our data providers. We do not approve of any use of content without proper attribution, in any circumstance. We require attribution when the Content is shown. Requests for exceptions will not be answered or granted.

john


Method of going to GoogleEarth and getting that image mapped to SketchUp?
#268

After working my way through your fragmented sentences, my take away is that you don’t agree with me. Fine. you can sit passively by while other fight for your rights.


#269

So why the silence Barry. The question is squarely in front of you. Why not answer it clearly, directly and unambigously? Doing so might help move the ball forward toward a resolution of the problem.


#270

We’re working on it, Frank.


#271

I suspect that tracing lines still qualifies as creating a derivative works. The other problem is that reloading the imagery every time the file opens results in significantly increased traffic and costs.


#272

I like that you are working on it. Can you give us any more detail?


#273

frankly Frank,

in the UK, disclosure of information by publicly traded companies is a highly regulated activity, is it not in the USA?

john


#274

No.


#275

John,

You would have to be more specific about what information you are talking about for me to answer your question completely. But unless the information is confidential or defamatory there is generally no restriction on publishing it.

How does that apply to the topic at hand?

Frank


#276

Do you have any updates? Just curious😄
I know what my rights are and I know my obligations, too. I don’t need anyone ‘fighting’ for them,so thanks but no thanks,sir.


#277

The fact is, Frank, Trimble is a publicly traded company so we are unable to do things like share specifics about what we are working on.

As to no one specifically showing why this is a repercussion of Google’s changes to their API, Bryce has actually shared the exact terms that we (and any other API users) are working under.


#278

you are requesting ‘non-Legal’ staff to make a Public statement on future developments of a publicly traded company…

it’s unfair on them and impertinent of you…

john


#279

Bryce shared the terms of what you can use for “free”. He didn’t mention what you can use under a paid plan.


#280

Having a phone conference with a Google rep at 6:00 pm this evening. I’ll keep everyone posted.


#281

The problem there is Trimble’s non legal staff has already made public statements about what they can and cannot do under the terms of an agreement with Google. I have publicly challenged their publicly stated legal representations. The legal principle involved here is that you can’t open the door on a topic with a public statement and then slam the door shut and hide behind it when challenged.