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You are suggesting the idea that, if someone is unhappy with this move, is because he is unproductive.
And you are also suggesting that hundreds of bucks are âa handful of bucksâ (which maybe the case for you, but not for many people which donât happen to live in Germany).
This is clearly insulting.
And itâs utterly insulting in this specific moment of global economical crysis.
Moreover if this is âdescribing realityâ you are describing yourself to be unproductive if you think about it. Or maybe are you supposed to be better than us?
Actually having a look at your statistics on this forum in âyour realityâ you should be way less productive than me or anyone else in this conversation, given the number of hours (months) you spend here.
The reality, my friend, is that in ALL sketchup forums and social media groups I have yet to see a regular user (not sketchup team member or reseller) which is happy with this Trimble suicidal move.
And you should know, the first rule in commerce is âthe customer is always rightâ.
Feel free to keep going and insult people if you like, feel free to impose your ârealityâ, but you are doing YOUR job really bad.
Have a nice day.
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My first job after college was in a cycle shop. I didnât like my boss, I thought he was a flash, money grabbing b@#$%&!
One time a customer came in and was being quite obnoxious and it was clear from my body language what I thought of them.
After the customer left my boss pulled me aside and said âPaul, whatever you think you bite your tongue and smile - the customer is always right!â
That moment was seared into my brain.
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You canât use Sketchup 8 in your workstations? Is that true???
Not sure in which way Iâm being aggressive.
Iâm simply pointing out that your words were clearly offensive for the reason I explained above.
You could have apologized for your words, but instead you are still pretending to be right and the customer wrong.
Thatâs fine. Iâll not go on on this.
People are able to read and judge for themselves.
The screaming of you nails on the mirror speaks for itself.
Again, have a nice day.
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I see the list price.
Now can anyone list the NEW FEATURE, PRODUCTIVITY TOOLS that will be coming on 2021?
Or whatever Sketchup is working on as far as âimprovementsâ?
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It is and has been the policy of the SU Team NOT to discuss upcoming changes!!! Company policy, If they do they will be unemployed. This has been hashed over in these forums MANY times
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If theyâre going to be moving to a Subscription as a Service model, thatâs a policy that needs to change really quick. They need to start incentivizing us with upcoming features, as a means to actually want us to move to a subscription service.
As it stands, you can take the subject of this post literally: the same Sketchup we love, for a more substantial price. Thereâs nothing new really being offered here and theyâve given us no reason to expect a slew of new features immediately, considering the last few updates.
If theyâre holding upcoming features back, now is the time to start announcing them if they want people to jump on this bandwagon.
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After it all goes to subscription, will it be possible to pay for subscription say in 2021 and then skip a year in 2022 and then re-up in 2023. This way I could pay $150 per year and stay connected for the most part with the mothership. thx
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I do not know why you are clapping back at me. It is NOT my policy nor am I employee of SU!!!
Yes as long as you wonât want to open any SketchUp files in SketchUp Pro in 2022.
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Was just stating an opinion based on what you said. Sorry if that came out as offensive towards you, was not targeting you directly or anything. My bad, man.
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I think it may be worth remembering how wide the SketchUp community is. Some people work at huge companies with a whole purchasing sub-organization that can toss unlimited money on everything that would increase the total revenue. Some people work a little here and a little there for a couple of bucks, or are even hobbyists or retired.
I agree that the price represents a handful of hours of work a year for many users, but not necessarily all.
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Letâs call it what it is, a price increase.
For the large corporations and for the individuals who are doing well with their practices the change is insignificant, merely a minor bump in the road if that. A couple hundred dollars makes no difference to them, its little more than pocket change.
This change in pricing only really affects the non-professional, part time, retired or casual user. Someone who is not really making a living using the product or if they are they are just barely scraping by. This type of user has a lot less of the expendable income to throw at licensing fees. A couple hundred dollars per year is a much bigger sacrifice and can seriously impact their bottom line.
Perhaps Pro was never intended for this second audience of users? The problem is the web based version of SketchUp doesnât really work to fill this void either. I donât know what the solution is, just my observations with regards to how this latest licensing paradigm impacts certain market segments.
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Which I would have been fine with, if it was simply a price increase to the annual maintenance fee â especially if attended by a concomitant increase in visible development pace.
What Iâm not OK with is renting software, for a number of reasons which have (almost) nothing to do with cost.
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With the current pace the webversion is evolving, it should soon Replace Make 17.
I donât think Brad and Joe were saints or monks that just could live from what they were given. The first customer/client they had in mind was a typical draftsman around 50 + who couldnât get by anymore in the office where every youngsters were adapting CAD on a rapid scale. Turned out, it needed to be intuitive enough (trust me, I am 50 +) to get them along in the ratrace of CAD, but had to be associated with the traditional pencil, too. In itâs basicâs, it is just what it is, a pencil to draw (in 3D)
I still keep my pencilbox with some rotrings, we should always have access to SketchUpâs pencil, as well
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It wonât replace Make until you can enable extensions within it, and Iâm not saying that just because Iâm an extension developer.
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Another fatal blow for extension developers! They will all disappear and no one will want SketchUp anymore. In the long term you will go bankrupt and it will be well done.
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Sketchup succeeded because of the plugin developers, there was a time Google Sketchup celebrated them, honored them, spotlighted them at basecamp. These folk expanded the limited functionality of Sketchup, they gave us new tools and more modeling options, they were loved by our Sketchucation community where they chose to release their wares, a few of them even work for Trimble now. How does this new subscription model help them? Are independent plugin authors still revered? and part of the future of SU? We can all agree there has been very little new user features for a while on your side and even the plugins have slowed down, how does this model grow the product?
I have seen comparisons with Adobe and other 3d modeling apps, which of them needed external 3rd party developers to build their software into a success? You are not an island, you need these guys, they are your only innovation.
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Can the web version handle models with millions of entities? I havenât tried, to be honest.
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