Insert Image in LayOut

I have created three renders of an equipment layout that I want to inset into LayOut. Basically, this is not a big chore at all. However, I have created the render in 3 different formats: 3600x2400, 4800x3200, and 6000x4000. Each time I insert one of the images into LayOut, it puts it there at the same size and I have to scale them up. Bottom line is that I cannot see the difference in the images in LauOut.

Is there a way to insert them into LayOut so that they take advantage of their render size (which when I look at the raw images the bigger the render the better the detail)?

I expect you have Rendering Resolution set to Medium which will reduce the apparent quality of the images while you are working in LO. When you export the PDF, though, set the Output resolution to High to get the max quality out.

First of all, where do you set the rendering resolution?

However, I think I did not make the question clear. When I do the Insert into LayOut, it inserts the image at the same size regardless of the image size. I have attached the PDF file so you can look at it. Maybe I am missing something.

Sample Renders.pdf (4.5 MB)

One place is in the Paper settings.

You can also set Output resolution in the Export panel when exporting a PDF file.

When you insert the image, the dimensions of the image are set to a certain percentage of the paper. Same thing as when a viewport is created. If you don’t want to adjust the size of the image after inserting it, you can change the paper size before inserting the image.

OK - I already had that one set. :blush:

When I Export as PDF, I do not see any place to enter/select any settings.

Feeling pretty dumb on this one. I need some education here. I do not see how to set the size of the viewport.

The inserted image or viewport size is partially dictated by the size of the paper. There is no place to set that short of changing the paper size. Here’s an example.

Image exported to letter size paper. No size adjustment after insertion.

Same image imported onto 11x17 paper.

Here I’ve changed the paper size from 11x17 to letter without changing the size of the image.

Frankly, adjusting the size of the image after inserting it seems easier to me than changing the paper size.

I think this is were we are failing to communicate (probably my problem). Where are you exporting the image from?

In my situation, I am creating the image with Twilight Render. I want to include the image in LayOut and I have tried creating/export the image with Twilight at the 3 different sizes but when I try to place them into LayOut (on a 11x17 paper size) each time the image shows up at the same size thus (in my opinion) I am losing the increased resolution of the image. If you look at the 3 pages in the PDF file you will see that I had to scale each of the images to “fill the page”. I do not have a printer that that I can print at 11x17 so I cannot really tell if the printed version of the 3 pages show up the equipment in any better resolutions.

Isnt this a dpi issue, surely the quality of the image you see is dependent on the resolution of your monitor? a 10000px image will look no better than a 2000px image on a 1920x1080 monitor

First of all, sorry for the delay in answering your question but I can no longer view the forum on my iPad. All I get there is a blank page.

I think I did not make myself clear on this post and the point of my question. In this case, my sponsor present the equipment render to their customer via a printed (11x17 paper size) PDF file. They do not show them anything on a computer nor do they give them a copy of the PDF file. I use Twilight Render to create the rendered image which I then import into LayOut to create the PDF file that they print.

No now I have two issues that I was trying to address:

  • SketchUp to LayOut - I create the equipment layout in SketchUp and then render it with Twilight. I then use the Send to Layout option to send the equipment layout to LayOut where I have 2 pages. The first one is contains the Twilight Render image and the second page has two viewports of the equipment (one is a side view of the equipment and the other one is a top view showing the distance between each piece of equipment). On the first page (the one with the rendered image) I cannot control the size of the viewport so when I import the image into the LayOut viewport, I have to resize the image so it fills as much of the page as I can. This represents my original question about controlling the size of the viewport. I tried several size render images in hopes that the larger the image the better the quality/resolution of the image would result in a better quality when printed.

  • Twilight Render - I cannot find any settings (other than image size) that would allow me to control the quality of the image produced by the render process (other than size like discussed in the previous paragraph).

Hope this help clarify what I was trying to accomplish and why I was asking about controlling the size of the viewport in LayOut.

Hi all I wanted to provide some clarity on a few things.

The first one is that our ‘Rendering Resolution’ only pertains to SketchUp model references and this will not have any effect with imported image files.

Additionally, we default imported images to fit to the current page size so if your images pixels are larger than your paper size they will all come in the same size. A solution to this is to increase your paper size to be larger than the image pixel size. Then you should see the correct image size when imported.

See sample below.


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OK - What am I doing wrong?

In the 2 screen captures below you will see that the page size is the same (11"x17") but the two images I imported are different sizes. Why do they show up the same size or maybe I am misunderstanding and since the page size is the same will the inserted images always be the same size in the doc?

Is my only option to resize the image once I import it?

As I was trying to tell you yesterday…

Sorry everyone, I did some more playing around in LayOut just now and I finally get it. DUH!!

I also did some experimenting with using a larger page size and then scaling the image down and loading the image in my paper size and scaling up and saw that the results were the same either way so I think I now understand the route I need to go.

Thanks for all of the support and putting up with my density. :blush:

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No worries. We all have a destiny sometimes. :smiley:

I think there is confusion between image size, print resolution and LO image window size… I have a similar workflow where I render in Enscape, export, post process in Photoshop or Lightroom then import final images into Layout for construction documents or presentations. I use paper sizes from 8.5x11 all the way to importing multiple renders on 24x36 sheets for both digital and print.

When you import into LO at least from what I understand thorough my experience, what you are seeing as the “size” is just the window size in LO that hosts the image. This doesn’t have anything to do with the image file size, image resolution or print resolution, it simply defines the space used on the LO sheet to display the image.

For print resolution, almost all professional printers are limited to 300dpi. No matter what your image size or resolution you cannot achieve greater than 300dpi print resolution. The resolution your image will print at depends on image resolution (pixel x pixel) size and size printed on paper. For an image that is 3072x2304 any size physically printed from 11"x14" and lower will be printed at 300dpi which is photo quality. Even printing this size of image up to 20"x30" which will be slightly lower dpi, will provide a fairly high resolution image.

For lower quality images you do have the potential to hit a print size that is not full 300dpi print resolution. A 2240x1680 size image printed at 300dpi begins to lose its detail and quality at print sizes over ~8x10".

I’ve found a lot of information related to digital image sizes and printing that directly relates to processing and printing our rendered images on general photography sites.

Hope this helps…

One slight correction to above… Where the LO window size comes into play is if you scale the window larger than what your image size will support printing at 300dpi. In many cases with a good image and smaller paper sizes this doesn’t come into play.

No worries, I once had one staff insert 35mm slide scans (18000dpi) into their word doc at printed size 2x 2"… I caught him because doing my monthly check on the office server for the biggest files … his was 1.5gb for a 1 page word doc… and that was in 1997

As Greg mentioned… its best to work backwards from determining what is the optimum px resolution of your final output and then render accordingly