Do you still draw in 2D?

Yes, and yes. That said, my understanding of why Todd Stanley is stopping development is that Apple is forcing him to abandon the code in C++ and, and completely rewrite it with other tools. If you’re going to rewrite the thing from the ground up anyway, you might as well look into cross platform compatibility.

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I completely agree. You target it for as many customers as possible! PC “might” be too late in the game. When Bill passed I knew PC days were numbered. That’s too bad. I live and work not too far from where PC started (here in NC) and it’s shame when local products don’t make it. I hope someone buys it from him. If Trimble does buy PC what about Wild Tools? Does it convert over?

Well, that’s Alfred Scott, and he’s still developing Wild Tools. He said he already registered with Trimble as a plugin developer some time ago. He has closer personal ties to the developers of Form-Z, but if Layout were to open up for plugins, this would be a particularly good question.

I used to look forward to MacWorld Expo every year before that disappeared. It was a chance to see Bill and Susan Stanley and the rest of the crew in person, and often go out to dinner after the show closed. I guess being such a small company was a double edged sword: Better access for communicating with the creator of the program, but vulnerable when something happens to him.


For many projects I take the SketchUp drawings such as view port elevations as PDF from LayOut to PowerCADD . I don’t draw or write anything in LO. Just in PowerCADD.

I like how I can compile a whole set of drawings in one file PowerCADD and print in a few seconds, compared to the wait involved to get one page out of LayOut. Navigation and drawing is fluid.


Similar to what I do in Acad. Very simple and easy. If it’s not broken…

Yep, I’m a Vectorworks user who is trying to draw in 2D using SU and LO because no one here in Ohio uses Vectorworks. I would love to become efficient doing the 3D stuff that is really difficult in Vectorworks, but the 2D stuff has me pulling my hair out.


Hi all.
The below screenshots illustrate my semi-failed attempts to complete architectural 2D documentation “in situ” in Sketchup, on top of a section of the (group of the entire) 3D model.

Has anyone else got experience with this?

I tried to replicate the workflow of Revit - a program where all 2D drafting is done superimposed on top of a slice of the 3D model. With one click, Revit can halftone or hide the 3D section backdrop. Very handy!

Architects alternate their focus from 3D and 2D. At times, the 2D detailing will govern decision making, at other times, I might want to achieve a particular alignment in 3D space. 3D and 2D planning HAS to go had-in-hand! In order to fully maximise the potential of the 3D digital space, Architect need a workflow that fluidly combines 2D and 3D spaces!.

With the SU+LO package, a fluent and constant ‘hopping over’ into the alternate mode of planning is not easily achievable, I found. Let me explain: Unfortunately only the 3D space can easily be brought over to Layout`s 2D space (with the annoying need for constant synchronising, the process is not as “live” as i wish it to be, but that is another topic…).
The ability for the reverse seems to be lacking in Sketchup: I am missing the ability to superimpose the 2D space as a live backdrop in my 3D model sections!

Summarising, I can tell you that my test-workflow is faaaar too cumbersome. And on top of that, I was still not able to fully control line weights and hatching on the final LO sheet.

Some detailed comments:

  1. I set up tags for “elevation geometry” and “cut geometry” in order to be able to generate at least two line weight distinctions in LO (the screenshots show blue and red visual differentiation that I set up not to lose the overview) Controlling line weights with this method is a nightmare! For example, if a rectangle on the ‘elevation’ tag and another adjacent rectangle on the ‘cut’ tag coincide along one edge, SU does not give consistent priority. In fact, you get a random draw order in LO.
  2. Extra setup needed: 3D model needs to be placed in a container to be separately cut-away. I drew the 2D elements on top of the section cut - You might be able to see that on the 3rd pix?. Inferencing and snapping luckily works on intersection points of 3D model with the section plane! Kind of cool.
  3. I tried to harness the power of SU components and added metadata to the 2D components, with the aim to retrieve the embedded data with labels later in LO. My hopes were high to automate the annotation in the documentation stage… but my skills were not up to scratch yet…
  4. last-but-one screenshot: documentation of 1:20 scale (and coarser) is 100% from SU (with only dim, text and symbol annotation added in LO of course)
  5. Last screenshot: 1:5 details are 95% from SU, with coloured dashed lines added in LO to make membranes stand out more, which is important in PassivHaus projects. (dito - symbols, text and dims annotations done in LO)
  6. I think hatching patterns could be achieved easily with textures in SU, displayed as raster in LO. I however struggled with keeping the hatch patterns consistent, as I use the scale command a lot which also scales the texture. I presume there is a smart solution to this (I am still learning)?


My answer to this question is : it depends! If the question has to do with using any 2D program to draw plans, section, elevations, details and the like, my answer is NO! I do everything with SketchUp + LayOut, including construction docs that appear to be 2D but are extracted from the SketchUp models.

What I still do in 2D are basic diagrams to serve as reference for the 3D but they are always made in SketchUp. In fact, I am no longer proficient in any CAD program. I have a HighDesign license available but never got around to learning how to use it.

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simoncbevans; I know what you mean. Plan examiners except 2D CAD only and big on IBC. 'Know your IBC and you’re in.
Donald Coles dba Dharma Graphics

I recently had a very productive conversation with our in-house architect about 2D drafting vs. BIM (because in reality, BIM has become the culmination of 2D & 3D). 3D is beautiful, productive and informative, but when you’re contracted for construction and permitting docs, it has to be 2D. 3D can get you out of design jams and issues, as well as for general presentation (who wouldn’t say yes to a pretty picture, right?) In my company, we do both, but in the end, 2D wins the day, or rather, pays the bills. Having 3D-capable staff is still very much important, when the clients want to see something pretty for presentation or sales, but the real meat of any project has to be in 2D.

The architect and I are the only two people in our organization that knows Sketchup and I’m the only one who has Layout experience. To either train existing staff or hire new employees to fill that void of 3D, is too costly in the grand scheme of things, unless the company takes a 180 degree turn, but even that will take a bit of time.

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@hnrkndr Good attempts! If you are trying to produce drawings from LO, I’d suggest there are a couple books on the subject. One is and to answer your question. Yes, there are people who do this successfully ( I don’t myself).

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3D sem 2D no mundo é ilógico. O 2D nunca vai morrer.

3D for Design, 2D for Output.

2D can also be also good as a design tool because it simplified things down to the most basic format…if it doesnt work in 2D then it won’t work in 3D.

…But just because it works in 2D doesn’t mean that it works in 3D as well!
3d is where everything needs to come togehter.

And as I always tell junior staff…you’re designing a real thing, not a piece of paper!


Agree, I told my staff… you are a builder… not a drafter!

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Thanks! I’ll have to pick them up!