Yeah that’s for sure.
The workflow I use is based on Sonders with a bit more complexity so I can model faster and output lineweights better.
As for other firms not using it, I dont really mind, I like the look on their faces when I show my drawings with a smile while they slave away in ?Revit hell.
That is why us, humans, need to coöperate and focus on what makes us, humans, humane.
I love that comment … 
For two years I tried to wrestle Revit into submission and get it to do what I waned it to do, before I decided that persevering was a waste of everybody’s time and effort, and that’s from the perspective of someone who has used a few cad packages in the last 30 years.
Recently I’ve bought Vectorworks (the parent company own Archicad too), because even at the low end of the learning curve I can be far more productive than I could ever be with Revit.
As for SU, I’m really looking forward to the day when LO matures a bit more, and I can prepare my construction documentation in SU/LO. However, until then, I feel that I need to be using something on a par with Archicad.
Hopefully that’s of some assistance @Eduardo … I did try to put together a reasoned response to your question, but it kept degenerating into an anti-Revit rant … 
Cheers 
John
I have had incredible results with LO. It’s capable.
The time we loose waiting for refresh, the time we loose with it’s tools, the time we loose fixing is CAD output is clearly compensated:
1 - Because we don’t loose our Sketchup model;
2 - Because it creates great output;
3 - Because I have an excellent workflow that bypasses most of it’s limitations;
4 - Because I change engineering teams that are blocked by my CAD output.
Not everybody has that and so even if Sketchup is 3D for all, I must recognize that Layout still isn’t 2D for all.
It’s getting there for what I’ve seen. I have much confidence on its dedicated team as they have proven before that they read, get concerned, and act on the users expectations.
Yeah Revit is hell.
And this is coming from someone who has spent the last decade mastering it.
I can make revit do what ever I want it to do for the most part, from crazy parametric blob structures, to incredibly complex families, to automated scheduling and all the other “BIM” things. My templates and family library can produce drawings that any office would be proud of. Yet I have come to despise revit at the core of my soul. It’s one of those things where the deeper you go; the more basic problems you uncover. In the beginning I thought that they would fix these simple issues in the next release. I would be a good member of the community and communicate these issues directly to autodesk with offers to help resolve them.
I have literally been waiting 10 years for some of these bugs to be fixed and in that time the list of bugs could fill a book, if I cared enough to write it, which i no longer do. There are so many that I forget that they exist until I have to delve into something, hit the arbitrary wall of software stupidity and all the BS comes flooding back. Personally I have given up on Autodesk (apart from Fusion 360) and Revit. Revit is the antithesis of architecture, the yin to the yang of creativity.
I am hopeful that the Sketchup to layout workflow will continue to evolve and improve. The last release was a huge step forward. Yes they still have a long way to go but, like JQL, my workflow minimises these limitations as much as possible and the enjoyment I feel when working in the software is like night and day when compared to the endless wrestling match that is Revit, or the antiquated pointlessness that is AutoCAD.
Good luck with your Vectorworks journey, I have never used it but I hear good things.
I’ve never used Revit but I can tell that you are not an advocate! Purely out of interest what is it about Revit that makes you feel so passionate? (to be fair, when I see the UI it gives me the shudders)
Maybe because I am a contract draghtsman, and therefore am generally paid by the hour and get return business based on my results, I am more aware than most of the value of my time. The value of my time to me, and to my clients, and Revit does a very good job of wasting that time.
I could rant at length about my conclusions regarding the shortcomings of Revit, but this isn’t the forum for that. However I will say that the current Autdesk management have been spoiled by the fact that Autocad has been a mature product for a couple of decades, and it has lead them into the false belief that none of their other products, apart from Fusion 360, require any serious product development.
What that means to @Eduardo is that Revit will only receive minor tweaks in the future, in place to justify the service contract prices, whereas Archicad will definitely change and evolve in the future, as it’s crazy for Nemetschek to invest in the development of two parallel products.
@JQL I hear what you are saying, but when I last played with LO, it did seem like it was missing some features that I consider essential, like a way of automatically creating a drawing register. It will catch up with the other “professional” packages, but imo it’s mot there yet.
As a more general comment, I was reminded over night, that I know two architectural draughters who are using SU, but they are both working for practices where SU is used for generating the renders and 3D sections, which are then imported into Autocad. Personally it strikes me as a crazy way of working, but it is one area where Architects are using SU in conjunction with other software.
One example of why I hate Revit so much is that when I was using the product on a daily basis, I had printed out a pdf which listed 33 way of hiding an object, any one (or more) of which could have been used by the previous person who opened the model.
Another, off the top of my head is that Revit will “correct” anything which is a fraction off parallel to a grid. Forgive me, but I was of the opinion that I was the brains of the outfit, and Revit was some dumb software to obey my instruction.
The list goes on and on, but yes the UI is pretty shocking …
Ok, yes, that second one would have me spitting nails.
Well I have to agree with what you say.
I use sketchup for:
In all stages I iteract very fast, I render very often, I have 3d printed frombthe model, I meet with clients, engineers and contractors and all of them clearly understand what I’m doing because of the model.
I ciuld use tekla for clash detection but sketchup is enough.
I can export and import work from other teams, i can colaborate internally. I can be accurate fast and, most importantly I enjoy my work as it’s both accurate and conceptual, fast and visual. It’s like you’re working while you’re thinking conceptually and having fun.
So, what else can I ask for?
There are overall some features missing but they are very minor. Sometimes something not that minor happens but I always overcome it.
In the end, I only use Sketchup because I have Layout, but it’s also true that I only use Layout because I use Sketchup…
Totally agree!
I rather like the simplicity of the Revit interface even if part of it looks like a tax return form. In comparison Archicad looks like Blender on steroids. I must post screenshots of both in use.
Yes I just started using Catia. It’s a monster!
Ed Ed:
it’s true 
Um yes, that’s not selling it to me !
The things that annoys me about the Revit interface are that project browser contains so much information that it’s very easy to get lost (for me at least).
IMO, the project should be split into four or more individual palettes, Views, Sheets, Legends & Schedules, and then Families & Groups, etc, because by the time I’ve navigated to the section I want, I find it difficult to navigate back to where I was. Again IMO, if you split the Views from the Sheets (drawings), it would make it far easier to drag the appropriate view onto the relevant sheet.
Also, the fact that the font size in the Properties Palette, and Project browser, are just that bit too small, and it’s not possible to change it. I’m sure the font would have seemed to be the right size 20 years ago, but staring at computer screens for two or three decades takes it toll …
Humm … I can see why people might be put off from Revit when one contributor describes it as “Revit Hell”, and we’ve just had another insightful comment that describes the interface as being like a tax return …
Just for comparison, here’s what Vectorworks looks like, and yes I know I’m lucky to be able to spread the interface over 3 monitors, but that’s the big advantage of being the boss. I don’t need to justify any of my company purchases to the bean counters … 
I was certain that my quip would be taken out of its context. As I said, I find the usability of the Revit interface quite good, despite that it doesn’t look like much. In fact what i meant with the tax return form is Revit’s nonmodal Properties window that is one of the best parts of its interface (the same thing in Archicad, as you see, needs the two windows on the left in my screenshot that cover almost half of the screen.
Below are screenshots of the Archicad and Revit screens with approximately the same functionality available. Archicad is almost unusable without a second monitor. I agree that the ability to split the long tree in Revit’s Project Browser might be useful.
Are you seriously suggesting that there are professional CAD users out there that haven’t got at least two monitors?
The first Autocad machine I used in 1989 had two monitors, and since then I find it a challenge to do almost anything work related on a single monitor., as result, my home system has 3 monitors.
I’m guessing most people using Sketchup aren’t using 2 monitors. But then again… they are not CAD users…
