Apple lauded Sketchup's performance on the new M3 Max laptops at the "Scary Fast" keynote tonight

ok, something interesting though :

M series have 2 core types, eco and perf.

going M1 to M3 represents +37,5% eco and +26,5% perf (numbers above). an average of +30,7% (advertised as 30%)

your super intensive test with 64 sets shows a +30,6% performance.
The other one shows a +37% performance.

that’s… a pretty consistant boost for once :slight_smile: !

I wonder if the normal test used mostly an eco core while the hard test used a perf core… or switched in the process ? I wonder if devs can force a mono-core app on a specific core like we do on PC with GPUs :thinking:

Thanks, Colin. I would love to see the performance of 5 vector-rendered windows on a Layout sheet updated on Intel versus M3. Any chance of that happening?

I think I will hold onto my 2019 MacBook Pro unless the there’s a $3800 difference. Please advise.

You can give me any example file and some steps, and I can see how they perform in different versions of LayOut, and on at least an Intel and M3 Mac. I do have an M1 iMac as well I can try.


Hi again, I upgraded my macbook pro to an M2 Pro / 32gb / 12GPU / 19CPU and am running Ventura 13.4 instead of Sonoma 14.0 and I am still getting this error message from Sketchup and Enscape:

“Error starting Enscape. Enscape exited unexpectedly. Please restart Sketchup. We are sorry for the inconvenience. We are eager to fix the problem you’ve encountered, so please send us an error report. Your feedback includes the Enscape log files. This helps us to fix the problem sooner!”

Any ideas?

do you send the error report ?

I mean, this sounds like an enscape crash, did you go to enscape’s community too ? Because here it’s Sketchup users, some of them use enscape too, maybe a handful has experiences with crashes, but nothing will compare to the level of support you’ll find on the proper community

(same way asking for a SU crash on enscape’s forum might not give results)

edit : also, you’re using ventura 13.5 , there is a 13.6.1 now. it might help, who knows ?

I´ve been using enscape on my M1 max MacBook for almost a year now and I haven’t had any issues with it.

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I did send the error report and contacted both Enscape and Sketchup multiple times. Enscape has told me that because it is an error from Sketchup they can not provide help.

I am trying the Enscape community forum as well now, thanks.

Maybe it’s because you’re using Somona, I haven’t updated yet, and I won’t do it until all the softwares I use have support for Sonoma, Sketchup and Enscape run with no issues on Ventura.

Hi, I’m not using Sonoma, I downgraded to Ventura and am still getting the message.

Please update your forum profile then…

Hello, I upgraded to MacBook Pro M3 max, unfortunately I found out that it’s only slightly faster than my M1 MacBook Air? Do you know the reason? It’s keeping idle the same time with my MacBook Air when using Layout, I found it so frustrating, only really fast when using Safari, that’s no improvement to me as I need my Sketchup to run faster :frowning:

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That’s why we need some real world tests and data. Adobe inDesign, a layout program, is many times faster than it was 4 or 5 years ago. It was very slow. Adobe rebuilt the whole thing. Now what used to bring it to its knees is quite quick. There’s not enough info about Layout. I welcome any feedback from Trimble.

I am holding onto my 2019 MacBook Pro with 32 megs of ram until I see evidence that a new computer will speed up my work.

I will try to test for few more days and if it’s nothing change or faster, I will return my M3 max and buy a M1 or M2 with bigger ram, now I’m having 32gb, do you thibk with bigger ram, it will be faster and no idle?

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I have no idea. The sticky wicket here is Trimble. Rhino put their cards on the table with Rhino 8 for Mac which is AMAZING! If Rhino had something as capable as Layout, I would switch. Rhino communicates to users much better and demonstrates improvements. See this Rhino - Built for Mac: Metal

Blender also performs better with big models, I´ve tested with the exact same model on both programs and on blender even with the rendered viewport has less lag than on SketchUp on monochrome style. The model I tested was huge though I applied a lot of subdivisions just for testing purposes, it’s hard to get to the amount of geometry it had on SketchUp if you know how to model properly and without downloading models from the 3DWH with an absurd amount of detail for simple assets, anyway Blender got the W there on mac and on windows.
I can’t find a thread from the developers team where a SketchUp team member said that they’re finally planning on moving on from OpenGL, I´m not a developer and I don’t know if just by migrating to a new API the performance will be 10x better, there must be a lot more work, to make a software improves its performance I´m sure the developer´s team is aware of that, I´m an optimist and I hope the best for this software that I love.

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I am paid to make instructions and permit drawings to build stuff. I need to do that in 1 program to run a profitable practice. Vectorworks has improved immensely with its new kernel

whereas Archicad is bogged down in old code that makes the program super slow.


I haven’t used ArchiCAD in a while, but it’s running natively on apple silicon macs and its built using the Metal API, the last time I used ArchiCAD it was translated with Roseta 2 and the performance was good, it’s probably the same that happened with SketchUp 2021 and 2022, I didn’t notice any performance improvement with the native apple silicon version.

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You are right. Graphisoft: Archicad is 'Scary Fast' on New M3 Macs - Architosh

Good to hear. Now, let’s be able to crow about Layout’s speed on the Mac!