I don’t think Profile Builder will work for IDF blocks. If you have a library of ICF Blocks and Corners use the Components menu to install in your plan. The Profile builder would require this to be an assembly and I am not sure that can be created. I checked and they do not have assemblies for brick or block. You could use PB for the rebar as its profile is just a circle of the appropriate size. You might be able to use the Double Cut extension to make door and window openings. Flex Tools extension might work for doors and windows and double cut is built in to that extension. Send me a sample wall and I can run FlexTools on it and see if I can get doors and windows to cut automatically.
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You might be able to make Profile Builder to do ICF’s. The assemblies consist of repeating elements like posts and pickets, so that could do blocks, and extrusions like handrails which could do horizontal rebar.
I think Medeek Foundation did something with ICF’s but I confess I haven’t tried it.
Profile builder supports assemblies. And since it is possible, below I think it is not a problem to use PB for the OP’s task. The only problem may be the fact that PB “stretches” the elements inside, treating them like rubber.
I have Medeek tools and I will try that next. I have attached a very simple model using Amvic forms from 3d warehouse I tried installing a Flextool door and window but it want make the cut through the wall. Might need to make the cuts manually since the wall is a series of components. ICF walls.skp (1.4 MB)
Is that assembly double sided? or applied to a wall? ICF walls.skp (1.4 MB)
attached is a quick wall using Amvic ICF forms just straight sections and corners how would you create an assembly out of these blocks? One thing that Amvic does not have is a half block? ICF walls.skp (1.4 MB)
No need to use the FlexTool to cut. Profile Builder has a Hole tool that can cut through multiple objects. It can also skip objects you don’t want to cut, like the hole on the right where the fasteners remain intact
Also, your model isn’t up to the task. Nesting components will cause that an attempt to cut, for example, a window, will remove the entire structure of the wall! The bricks must be in groups if you want to cut holes in them. Also fasteners are not solids which causes problems with cutting
I wonder why model things that are hidden? As far as I can (maybe) justify the modeling of bricks in order to calculate (but there are calculators for that) the number of pieces, why model fasteners as this case? A small wall 40’x40’ can already cause problems for a computer (with you model), let alone an entire building. And when we add cables. pipes, boards, nails and screws? I wonder who will be the first to ask how to model sand grains in concrete to calculate how much sand will be needed to build a house.
I’ll be back in my office Monday and
I’d like to talk to you further. I want to do all my structures when possible in ICF
and be able to use quantifier to calculate my concrete steel and block costs as well as opening costs. I’ll pay you what you want to help me set that up. I’ll send you what I have. I had to draw my own blocks because mfgr had inaccurate and too many components. I draw well in SU
but I suck at the the automation. Too impatient because lack of tech support.
I tend to approach these sort of requests with the 80/20 rule.
Setting up the assembly is relatively quick (20%) and would produce 80% of the desired outcome.
Tweeking the assembly until you have it the way you want it in all possible scenarios (remaining 20%) will take 80% more time and budget.
I would argue here. When designing, for example, a paddling pool or a shower cabin, I would spend, say, a day on a given size. Creating the entire dimensional group was a small problem and a short time. Always the first project takes more time. Mods are already going faster. You already have a paved road. Same here. If it was as you write 80/20 and 20/80 then the whole philosophy of templates would be pointless. However, I agree with the issue of the correctness of modeling certain details as I wrote above. Especially when someone exaggerates with “accuracy”. From the @mballes model, as you can see above, the simple 4 walls of 35’ have already given the computer food for thought. So, no matter how you look at it, you should use the right tools properly. Below is a simplified model that generates much less polygons and is just as useful.
Block modeling has the only advantage that it can help to calculate specific types of ICF blocks that are present in some systems, e.g. corner, end, angle. Personally, I’m of the opinion that you can use a calculator for this… I’m against modeling threads except when you want to print them
I just built the model using the components found in the 3D warehouse to see if they could be cut with one of the extensions I have. I’m surprised that the manufacturer or another manufacturer has not developed a better set of components for ICF walls. I am seeing more building constructed with these systems. I did get a note from Medeek that he has incorporated them into his wall tools so that might be the answer.
You would have to ask that to the original poster of the question. Perhaps he needs exact counts of these materials for his projects. I was just trying to help by using components found in the warehouse. I do see these systems being used more frequently so either a simple component or calculator is all that is needed.
This looks like the exact process to use but the only difference is there is no spaces between the ICF they all abut each other. I might attemp to create an ICF version of this if I have time today. I think one would need full, half, right corners and left corners and maybe t intersections since those are the components this vendor offers. Amvic+R22+ICF±+8in+Blocks.skp (476.6 KB)
It’s not accurate, unfortunately. And the arrangement of blocks in the corners has little to do with the principles of bricklaying. As you can see in my post above, I used a similar method and it only uses three elements: corner, straight, and end. No need for right and left - one is enough. as it really is
Again just using the components that came from the manufacturer. This is not for me address the original poster Profile - timbcarter55 - SketchUp Community. I was just trying to help not engage in a debate about how to perform proper bricklaying. These are really just Lego pieces.
I just found the manufactures Revit Families and am going to take a look at them. At first glace it looks like the exact same sizes at the SketchUp components.