Stop to pay your licence because you loose it (very funny idea to discontinue classic licence), continue to use it, and learn another applications, you have many others with cool licence, and features that doesn’t exist in SketchUp
Lol Trimble could give SU and still be in the black with their massive portfolio. Just look at their financial reports, they’re not hurting for profits. 
Also it’s their’s and they can charge how they want for it. It’s as simple as that.
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Before using Shop version and Trimble Connect : look at the terms, notably about data :
“As between the parties, Customer will retain all right, title and interest (including any and all intellectual property rights) in and to the Customer Data as provided to Trimble. Subject to the terms of this Agreement, Customer hereby grants to Trimble a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free right to use, copy, store, transmit, modify, create derivative works of and publicly perform and display the Customer Data solely to the extent necessary to provide the Service to Customer (including making Content available to Customer’s Third Party Collaborators).”
This term is ambiguous and disproportionate technically and legally.
There is a contradiction in declaring that the user has intellectual rights, and that these rights are automatically transferred to Trimble for supposedly the operation of a data transfer service.
One may wonder if “solely to the extent necessary to provide the Service to Customer” is linked only to “publicly perform and display the Customer Data” or to all of the above … Very complicated to understand.
You will also notice the possibility of creating works derived from your files … that is absolutely not justified for a data transfer service.
Since we discovered this clause, we are talking about it around us, and there are companies which are evaluating the stop of the use of this service for reasons of confidentiality and a risk of industrial espionage.
There is a question that arises: data transfer has a cost for Trimble, which must invest in data centers. Why does it make it mandatory for the Shop, Free, and between Desktop and iPad iPhone versions? What is his interest ?
Are you a lawyer? Perhaps you ought to hire one?
I am not, but IMO the continuation “solely to the extent necessary to provide the Service to Customer” quite explicitly cancels out anything else than keeping the data for yourself.
Interpreting such legalese ought perhaps be limited to the experts it is meant for. The anglo-american common law system is sometimes quite incomprehensible for people like me who live in countries with a system based on “Roman Law”.
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Unfortunately it is vague and contradictory. Yes this article was shown to a lawyer.
The most important is that this article is known to users, which is not the case.
Many have not read it and Trimble does not advertise it.
Then everyone takes responsibility in their conscience. I know there is a stir going on right now, ever since I talked about it around me.
Many have not read the TOS of the classic license or any other software program (eg. rhino Blender) as well.
Since Google bought SketchUp, we know nothing comes for free, really. There is always a catch.
I have also spent some time reading the privacy statements of Trimble connect and other Trimble products, I might have it wrong, but I couldn’t see anything special.
Again, if you wanna stir things up, create your own topic. Somebody might read it.
If you wanna take legal action, be adviced and start funding cash to hire a team of lawyers.
Since Trimble employees don’t respond on legal affairs on this public forum, you won’t know until you try suing them.
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It is very simple in fact. You just have to ask yourself the question.
If I use Sketchup mobile app, free version, shop version, can I take this risk :
I automatically “grants to Trimble a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free right to use, copy, store, transmit, modify, create derivative works” from my files.
I ask myself and my reply is NEVER, for any reason (to provide the service is questionable for an upload service)
This legal subject is linked to a question about Shop version and Trimble Connect. This is not an isolated question.
Yes you do !
You practice censorship for reasons that have nothing to do with the law, or common rules of politeness, and you do so not on a private forum, but on a forum that is part of a commercial service, with the Trimble brand and logo.
And I’m not even talking about freedom of expression and opinion.
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Again, I am not a Trimble employee.
If you quote some lines, it is best to provide a link to the publication, most of the time, misquoted lines do not help.
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sorry
For what?
Is this the article you where refering to?
So basically Trimble Connect and the apps should have the option not to show thumbnails of any kind of things and not provide any file exports/conversion/processing/storing? If it was implemented, how many users would disable that option again when they see the service becomes useful for nothing (or leave the service/apps)?
This is legal speak to allow the technical operation of the service (backup, storage, sending files to your browser, generating thumbnails, converting to newer skp file format); unfortunately for laymen like us it is not clearly distinguishable from allowing any abuse beyond that (humans editing and using our works for marketing).
Indeed the granted rights seems a bit wide-framed, but if not, further development of the software (e.g. 1 new or modified feature) could technically require a new rights grant from the user. If you have so little trust that you want every relation with your software to be tightly regulated in every detail, you have not much basic trust in the provider. Then it is pragmatic to not use it.
There are many things in life where we need to have some voluntary trust. I trust my bakery, but I also have the freedom to go to another or stop eating bread.
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It is understandable that a company like Trimble limits its responsibility within the framework of a service. For example limited warranty.
Generating thumbnails, or sending files does not require that the user “grants to Trimble a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free right to use, copy, store, transmit, modify, create derivative works”.
It seems disproportionate to me just thumbnails.
It’s as if the baker asked you for full access to your bank accounts to buy bread (to use your example)
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https://connect.trimble.com/terms/trimble-connect-tos
The article is 3.2.
Article 13.12. Government End-Users : It is an interesting article. Of course the service do not fit for sensible reason to US Governments End Users… Logically, if data confidentiality were ensured, there would not be this section.
I’m not a lawyer, but the generation of a thumbnail is legally a derivative work. And just one example. Even I cannot come up with an explanation of every point in “non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free” but they must be there for a reason. The service would be infeasible if every user claimed different exceptions (I don’t want thumbnails; don’t make my files available to me in that country because I’m never going to travel there; pay me for processing my files)…
Oh, and my bank has access to my bank account. Lucky that I currently trust them, but imagine what abuse would be possible!
It is right to think about whether to have trust. But when you distrust a service and use it only because its terms of service limit the possible damage, how can you use that service? How can you use Google Search (there are alternatives for search), Facebook (one can survive without) and Amazon (the local shops are friendly, too)?
I personally try to find my answer by asking whether my interests and rights are in their interest? What is the business model, I get something from them and they from me, is it balanced, are we even? Trimble is fully financed by its paying users; whereas in other business models the user pays nothing and the service is financed by a third party (advertizers).
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About bread and bakery : Pont-Saint-Esprit poisoning: Did the CIA spread LSD? - BBC News
just for culture and history, not linked to Trimble of course
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Still one thing: I am still not a lawyer, but basically the terms and conditions, I understand, apply as such only in the USA and, perhaps, Britain. In the EU selling software is subject to EU and local laws so any non-compliant terms and conditions might be void. I understand that this might be one of the reasons why vendors are moving to the software as service model - EU consumer law gives the buyer more protection than offered by the TOS contracts of vendors.
Absolutely not ! This is the problem, there is not specific EU terms by Trimble. Trimble try to apply anglo-saxon law everywhere, and of course there is some legal issues.
I am not sure that the discontinuation of classical license is legal in Europe, for example.
Yes I confirm, there is more protection in Europe for customer.
My layer explain to me a difference about contract. In USA, contract are bold, in Europe, a contract could be contested for abusive terms. That mean terms that exceed the limit of legal texts.
Thats a open question: there was no mention during the presentation about the used GPU, also the computer technology orientated webpages and publications have doubts about, that the demo runs on apples GPU, because this GPU is like the already existing integrated GPU from Intel and AMD - performance is quite good for usal work but for 3D not.
Anyway, the goal for apples step is: everything in apples hand, hardware, software and also apps from iphone/ipad can run on imac and apple had control about the allowed hardware and software running on the systems…
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They discontinued selling classical licenses, they did not discontinue the usage of existing classical licenses.
What did your lawyer say exactly regarding this? Why is it illegal for them to stop selling one type of product?
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