Finally took the plunge

Ahh too bad, but the lucky thing is that its all covered and they should take care of it pretty speedy for you. If you had built it yourself you would have had to fix it yourself or go to a repair shop.

Its hard to diagnose these issues without having it myself, I did have a problem with my first one from them and it was some fiddly settings in the custom BIOS because of the fancy gaming motherboard.

Messing with the Bios is something I never want to have to do, as I’d be afraid of REALLY messing it up.

I’m looking at End of September to get it back due to being away for a week from the 10th, BUT also because they are changing the GPU for the new 3080, which doesn’t become available until the 17th.

On the plus side, it means they will refund me the the difference.

Bad move or Good Move with the GPU @liamk887?


Excellent move that was my advice from the start!

I would be upgrading myself but ive borrowed a RTX6000 GPU from work thats quite powerful but will get the 3090 closer to Christmas.

Ha Ha, yes, I feel a ‘I told you so’ moment.


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Hi Liam

Had a long hard think over the weekend, and decided to stick with the 2080TI, based on my approach over the years to never go with Brand New technology immediately when launched.

I’ve avoided issues with Apple products over the years using that approach.

I can always upgrade next year after giving it time to settle down and any issues ironed out.



Hi @MikeWayzovski

I must be having a slow day, as I don’t get that :slight_smile:


When the wild beast’s cross the Serengeti, the first and the last to go have the biggest chance to get caught. The same applies to the early adopter curve.


I would say it’s ok, GPUs are on a shorts cycle with the next gen probably in 24 Months.

My last work card was purchased just two years ago when it was brand new for £6000 now it’s outdated completely for a card that costs one third of the price!

I would wait for the 3080 butMif anything fails it’ll be twinmotion… that software is a the most unstable thing out.
Hopefully someone at Trimble has a 3080 and confirms SU is okay (i dont see how it wouldn’t be).

Nvidia drivers come out every few days and lately the issues are corrected quickly at nvidia’s end. Your big advantage with an all new system is that all hardware is of one generation, no legacy items (like my Yamaha hi fi receiver with a fairly archaic USB driver).

It sounds to me like your sleep issue is pointing more and more to hardware failure…since it’s been tested the delivery may be the culprit.
Your mouse wont be the issue (logitech…safe).

And dont be afraid of the bios, it’s just a settings menu. You’ll be overclocking in no time :wink:
(Even if you tried to screw it up (not easy) your gaming motherboard will have 2 or even 3 bios’s to auto backup to)

For performance vs price, Something in the nvidia rtx2070 Super range. The EVGA brand are a good choice and some of their models (“ultra”) have the mode where the fans shut down if not needed, giving you a bit of peace and quiet.

Gaming cards do get loud and you will need to consider if you have sufficient airflow within your PC.

Or wait for the 3070? should be 20% faster for the same $.
I have a 2080 super and it’s great but very much overkill for sketchup.

I have no understanding at all of BRICScad sorry.

Thanks for your thoughts. There is no rush, and the 3070 is coming soon, so I’ll wait.

I don’t doubt that it will be overkill, but it seems like what is overkill today is weak and puny tomorrow.

I gave in and ordered the 3090 :joy:

What a concept! A user serviceable computer tower that is up gradable when the user wants to do so.
Way to “think different”! :wink:


Gaming cards do get loud and you will need to consider if you have sufficient airflow within your PC.

Gaming cards tend to have far better cooling capacity than that shitty blower fan NVidia reference design and therefore tend to be much quieter. With a half way decent cooling concept, some proper fans and a silent case such as a Fractal Design Define noise is a non-issue. Running an overlocked i7 + 2080, not hearing a thing even under heavy rendering load.

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Have not kept up with the thread so questions may already be covered, but will go thru later.

right now I have the chance to to buy an HP ProDesk 600G3 system
i7 6700 / 3.4 Ghz base speed / 4 cores 8 threads
don’t know power supply but probably 180 Watts
no graphics card.
total price $352

I could add GE Force GTX 1050 ti, 4 GB card - overclock edition. It will fit the motherboard.

Wondering what you guys think for a small time operator like myself.
I will render in VRay on this machine. 90% of renders will be still frame architectural shots -
no motion.
Final 10% to produce architectural shots showing natural light moving through the course of a day.

Could this system handle it? Is the 4GB card too small?

Interesting - my experience to date is a bit different - the gaming cards definitely have better cooling, but also generate more heat. I admit i havent tried a quiet PC case…you are tempting me! (The Fractal Define R5 or Coolermaster Silencio). My 2080 super is really quite loud in a basic mid tower case when it is running at 100%. I wish I had purchased a watercooled model. A lot depends on the environment and ambient noise too (my study is very quiet)
OF course for SketchUp the GPU wont be running at more than 20% so shouldn’t need a fan at all - it’s just rendering where it will put out lots of heat.

To be honest that’s really the wrong sort of system for doing any rendering.

It’s physically very small and will get very hot inside, leading to lower performance. The power supply is weak…it might run, but it will probably become become unstable during rendering. You should have at least 350watts.

The motherboard may have the correct PCI-Express slot, but have you checked if the computer case can actually fit the physical dimensions of your particular 1050ti? That will probably depend on which 1050ti version - some have single fans, others (OC models) often come with dual fans - which are twice the length. Then there’s the internal power connector; an OC card will likely require a 12volt 4 or 6-pin in addition to the motherboard PCIE slot. That HP computer probably wont have a 12volt cable.

If you do go with this option you will likely need to get a basic 1050ti, not an OC edition. If you can test it first then that would be ideal.

Sam, really appreciate this. I’ll not be going in that direction.

Most cards have a certain TDP that needs to be dissipated. The old blower style NVidia reference coolers for example were rather terrible at that and ramped up rather harshly noise wise. With 3 fan gaming cards though there is much more air to be pushed through the coolers and much more cooling capacity, therefore they can run at a lower rpm or even power off completely when running low to mid loads.

I can really recommend the Fractal Design Define lineup, pair that case with a bunch of decent PWM fans (I’m a bequiet fan when it comes to that) and a beefy cpu cooler and you’re set. You’re really right on that ambient noise argument though - I’m working in a 2person office with a bunch of people coming in throughout the day, therefore the noise floor itself is much higher and tends to mask other things much more than in a quiet studio.