AI Generated models - from a photo ... time to throw in the towel?

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Yeah, scary in a way, impressive in another. It looks like really high polygon count, so I guess more favorable to Blender than SketchUp - sorry, just saying.

Again, my take on AI is it isn’t Artificial Intelligence so much as Artificial Intuition - dream like interpretation of reality without true understanding. It looks believable without the depth of understanding that comes from Gestalt formation or abstract concepts. It doesn’t understand that “that part (a Gestalt) is a bucket” and “that part (another Gestalt) is an armature”, and “it’s pivot point (an abstract concept) should be here.” This is why I really balk at calling all this Artificial “Intelligence”.

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Agree regarding the high polygon content.. sort of ironic as I am building dynamic components where the whole focus is reducing polygon content for models optimised for repetition in space planning and schematic design… but I think of all the hours required to produce the models of complexity the video shows and the staggeringly short time AI manages to churn them out.. thats scary !

it’s like in Galaxy Quest, the aliens made the ship according to what they saw in the tv show.

or — let’s elevate the reference :sweat_smile: :nerd_face: — in Rendez-vous with Rama (but more in Rama II), the biots inside Rama start mimicking things, they’re not biological nor mechanical, they just imitate what they see.

this tech will change a lot industries like CGI, but the techbros are already pushing techs to replaces theses industries altogether (and make for super cheap what they think actual humans do with talent)

design, conception, fabrication are more complex. than that.
the youtube miniature shows a 3d model of an engine (in grey ?) made out of photos but… trusting your life on this engine ? that’s different :smiley:

problem is, just like in every other creative field, while some people will recognise the value of talent, many will just look to reduce the costs. because in a capitalist system, it’s all about reducing costs and maximising profits, to the detriment of everything else, even quality :wink:

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And since many of those “financial” people do not have the same expertise ad the ‘artist/constructor/designer’, for them the ai generated “■■■■” will look perfect.
Like those ai generated photos that almost look perfect, until you see that fourth hand, third ear, feet missing, etc :wink:

When a constructor makes a mistake and his building collapses, one knows who can be held liable. But can ai also be held liable when ai for example designs a building that collapses because of unchecked calculation errors? :thinking:

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I wrote a short paper in grad school about how in the future (this was 98-99) an architect that wanted to leave his signature on the world would only need to infect the code of his contemporary’s design software - small, tiny changes at first, that eventually, as the software took on more and more of the ‘design’ and production aspect - would get more and more corrupted by the hacking architect, until years from now future AI Kenneth Frampton will write about the genius of corrupting code and never needing to design a building from scratch to leave a mark.

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Like he mentions this is going to be used for all those background props and scenery in films and videogames etc, while all the hero pieces and main focus stuff will still be drawn by humans and designers.

The biggest problem I see is that young people and beginners start there jobs in many industries by drawing the simple background stuff and then working there way up to the big hero pieces. Without that pipeline people will have to really push to be top of their game before they can start in industry.

Getting your first year in work is the hardest part of establishing a career.

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if I had to start my job as a freelance graphic designer, I couldn’t.
cleaning photos, cutting them out, making basic designs like business cards… all these things have been taken over by a project management major with access to an AI.

without these jobs, I couldn’t pay my rent while I try to get better missions.

there is a massive sinkhole right now (in europe at least, I’m not following that many other design medias) in design and creative fields. not for the experienced people, these are on linkedin explaining how AI tools are so great because they don’t have to work so hard any more and it helps them “streamline” everything.
but the freshies trying to start in the industry are cooked. more and more can’t even get simple jobs to pay the bills.


there is something deeply upsetting watching an AI video made by a “late-career” designer with AI avatar and AI narration explaining how AI tools are amazing because they allow them to tackle more missions at the same time without needing freelancers.
they trading their comfort for the future of many other.
(yes, I’m thinking of someone specific making such videos right now, I see them on linkedin and facebook. I think all of use have seen the type as of now…)

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well, add the cognitive debt observed by the MIT (actually visible on CT-scans)


does it make pretty pictures, or are we just getting too dumb to see it’s not pretty ?

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And, worse of all, to the detriment of safety.

I often argue about automation. People often say “people can never be completely replaced”.
But what if they could be replaced? :thinking:

If every task was automated, and there was only one “system administrator” to keep the software running and one “troubleshooter” to keep the hardware running, for that one “business owner” who by then had bought every business under the sun. Those three people would be making such a huge amount of money, in the millions if not billions (per month?), just to pay enough taxes to keep the other 99.999999% of the unemployed receiving their benefits?

Somehow I hope I never see that day, I already getting bored just thinking about it :joy:

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Interesting, I’ve tried a couple AI’s that can make 3D models out of a 2D images, but in most of the cases the results aren’t good enough to be used even as an asset.
As an architect I still don’t fell threatened by AI, I actually use it for getting inspiration; Rendair is the one I use and imo is the best one for architecture.

I think it would be “just to pay enough taxes to keep the other 99.999999% of the unemployed from revolting”

Which is sort of where we are now, without the AI - so many people barely making a living they don’t have time to demonstrate, protest or even vote - so beat down by providing basic necessities and healthcare and the like, that the last thing on their mind is working to bring equity to the billions a small percentage of the population make on the backs of the working class (and the environment).

From here:

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well that’s the case, look at automated warehouses and factories. this helped a few people to consolidate wealth over the last century.

that will mostly depend on the legislation in your country (regarding architecture and ai) but you should.

in france, you can build a 149 m2 building without needing an architect.
you can already look for plans online that you could simply… give to a builder. if they know what they’re doing, they don’t need fancy plans. they just do basic building. it’s not great, but it’s a substantial % of the french individual house market
and several AIs are working on it, creating plans from prompts.
so the architect will be even less needed. it’s good to have one, but you can do without, so long as the builders are qualified.

French architects were in an uphill battle and it’s going to be steeper. if your local laws are on your side (like in portugal, where you need an architect for pretty much anything) then you’ll be fine.

well, you used to have 10 employees, computers made the work faster, so instead of having them work a few hours less every week… now you have 8 employees.
then internet made everything faster, and you have 4 employees plus 2 freelancers when things get hairy.
and now you’ll be able to replace 3 of your employees by a couple AIs and an extra freelancer.
it’s efficient. it lowers the costs and increase profits.

…
but man, having a drink with 10 employees or just 1 plus the odd freelancer who will agree to come is depressing.

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A couple of thoughts:

  1. Where’s the fun in that?!! I have always enjoyed the act of being in a CAD system and drafting or modeling. Not just creating entities, but creating well-organized digital representations of things is just fun.
  2. It’s all still more of a “video game” kind of solution than real-world. By that I mean the more you look at it or the closer you zoom in, the more issues you’ll find with these kinds of models. The time needed to create usable deliverables doesn’t necessarily decrease but rather it gets reallocated to cleaning up the issues (holes, topology, etc.). And a big challenge with that is it is more difficult to be able to delegate different parts of a whole model to different team members.

I won’t say that this isn’t a threat to some or even all of us, because I do sometimes see the image of a large room filled with drafting tables that usually starts with “Before CAD was invented…”. Yes, those professional drafters don’t have tables and scale rulers anymore, but the work still exists it is just dressed up differently.

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I think many fail to realise is how design, creativity, art, these things take time. they take iterations, failures and breaks.

you have an idea, you let it ripen, then you put it on paper, a couple of sketches, maybe a 3d model, maybe a physical one, and you go back to your drawings, sometimes you keep that on the back burner and when you come back to it you have an idea, an intention. you try, you fail, you come around. it makes you grow as a person.

now if you need to be efficient, you have to go faster. you don’t take the breaks, you make everything in one go, you don’t leave time to breathe. maybe you start using prefab elements, or standardised ones. you compress the work as much as you can. and now you start using AI to go even faster. where is the soul in that ? the poetry ?

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Even scarier are all those designers with no practical experience who have only ever worked in the virtual world, have a limited understanding of gravity and are growing increasingly reliant on AI to check their work. You can’t beat human experience for intuition in problem solving.

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I’ve been using ChatGPT quite a bit recently when coding just to see if it can give me ideas (think outside the box) and even code small snippets (saving me some tedious work). My take away is that it is now smart enough to do small tasks or easily definable tasks however when it comes to tasks or code that have a lot of moving parts it is still not there. A lot of what I code has complex assemblies and it all has to work quite precisely, there is no “fuzziness” to a properly built wall or roof.

What I find really interesting is that it will actually make obvious mistakes and then once you point it out it will actually recognize it has made a mistake and correct itself (and the code). So why did it make a mistake in the first place? It is getting scary good though, nothing in our recent past even comes close. Two or three years ago the things it can do now would have been unimaginable.

Where will these LLM’s be after another two or three years? If they can somehow figure out a way to make these things recursively improve themselves then things are going to get really interesting.