# SketchUp operations are extremely slow on new ssd computer **URL:** \ **Category:** SketchUp\ **Created:** [April 24, 2015, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445 "2015-04-24T04:58:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mac7595](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/mac7595/32/650_2.png) [@mac7595](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/mac7595)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/21 "2015-04-27T21:14:00Z")
> [@Kenny](#): > > Incidentally I tried the same file on my 4 year old laptop which was no slouch in its day and it took nearly 14 minutes to complete! The file is an exploded CAD file with lots of small line entities. If anyone else wants to try this I’d be interested. Did not set stop watch but just a few seconds to open. BTW make sure before you unzip, have not checked to see it makes a diff, but unblock. Doing that for zip file unblocks all files in the archive but since only 1 probably does not make any diff. ---
**Author:** ![mac7595](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/mac7595/32/650_2.png) [@mac7595](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/mac7595)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/22 "2015-04-27T21:29:38Z")
> [@mac7595](#): > > Why Su only issue, but do not get stove piped on just the drive issue As posted early. Using task manager to at least do wait chain analysis for Su and see if it is waiting on other processes. Typical group think 😈 ---
**Author:** ![mac7595](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/mac7595/32/650_2.png) [@mac7595](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/mac7595)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/23 "2015-04-27T21:49:32Z")
> [@dvdspr](#): > > All operations are extremely slow on a brand a new machine. It has two ssd hard drives, C an D. The hardware is more than adequate. I bought it because it should be lightning fast The only speed advantage you get is bringing bits into RAM from disk or saving when bits go back to drive, log files and paging files etc. Other wise RAID 0 or 1 should be about same they handle same # bits. IMHO choice is bad to have two small drives. I would replace 1 ssd with a big platter, have op system on SSD, make image of it( There are free image makers) , do good backups of data on platter and never have to re install OP system again. ---
**Author:** ![robin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@robin](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/robin)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/24 "2015-04-28T08:49:03Z")
I’m with Dan. It appears to be to do with the Outliner. Have you tried closing Outliner? ---
**Author:** ![dvdspr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@dvdspr](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/dvdspr)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/25 "2015-04-28T19:08:53Z")
> The Outliner is notorious for slowing operations down. It should never be open, unless you are specifically using it. > This would include: > Inspecting group and component nesting. > Selecting objects (especially hidden ones you can’t select in the model view.) > Moving objects from one edit context to another (when it cannot be done easily in the model view.) > Close the Outliner or roll it up before intensive model operations. Thanks for this info. Yes, the machine is slowest when the outliner is open. You have found the heart of the issue. However, our models all work great on all our other machines with the outliner open. The outliner is critical to use with our standards since components and groups are deeply nested. I just finished a remote session with the manufacturer. I was able to log onto the same machine with very similar specs they have in stock and try our model. This remote computer has the same C drive but no D drive. The model and outliner were very fast - no issues. They he installed a D drive smaller than mine and it slowed a little - eventhough both sketchup and the model were on the C drive. My computer is still 10x slower though. They don’t know why. He suggests it might be a windows installation issue. Instead of re-installing and updating all our files again, they are going to send a replacement computer. This time however I’m getting one C drive with RAID 0, but 1TB (2-512) and no D drive as one of you suggested. I figure I can always add a D drive and our files are backed up well. So I hope it works out. I’ll let you know. Thanks for all your help. ---
**Author:** ![mac7595](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/mac7595/32/650_2.png) [@mac7595](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/mac7595)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 4:29am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/26 "2015-04-29T04:29:03Z")
As I posted above the use of SSD will not give you a big boost in speed. Hard drive is used for storing data like when you save a file or when you open one the data is read from drive into RAM. In some cases the windows memory manager will write to the drive if it runs low on RAM to run the threads. I gave you some very specific TS suggestions but guess that was wasted time. If you contact the System Internals or Defrag tools guys at Microsoft the may have some trouble shooting suggestions for you. They have a whole suite of free TS tools you can use and may ask you to collect some data using those This is example of what your are ignoring in task amanger ref above ---
**Author:** ![dvdspr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@dvdspr](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/dvdspr)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/27 "2015-04-29T05:26:07Z")
> [@mac7595](#): > > This is example of what your are ignoring in task amanger ref above Apologies for not acknowledging your suggestion. I am aware of the difference between ROM and RAM. My IT previously analyzed the task manager as you mentioned. I will look into the TS tools and Microsoft System Internals or Degrag tools departments. Thanks again for your input - very much appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![SketchUp3D\_de](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/sketchup3d_de/32/167_2.png) [@SketchUp3D\_de](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/SketchUp3D_de)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/28 "2015-04-29T15:28:49Z")
> [@dvdspr](#): > > I am aware of the difference between ROM and RAM. there is no ROM involved, working memory as well as the SSD are Random Access Memory. ---
**Author:** ![dvdspr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@dvdspr](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/dvdspr)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/29 "2015-04-29T19:25:38Z")
> [@sketch3d\_de](#): > > there is no ROM involved, working memory as well as the SSD are Random Access Memory. Thanks again for your help ---
**Author:** ![tedvitale\_CG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c0e974/32.png) [@tedvitale\_CG](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/tedvitale_CG)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2015, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/30 "2015-05-01T02:41:04Z")
If you close outliner does the slow-down persist? I find that if I keep outliner open when I work it tends to slow everything down. ---
**Author:** ![DanRathbun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/danrathbun/32/500_2.png) [@DanRathbun](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/DanRathbun)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/31 "2015-05-01T02:53:08Z")
Six days late to the party. See the following post above: > [@SketchUp operations are extremely slow on new ssd computer](http://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/13): > > The Outliner is notorious for slowing operations down. It should never be open, unless you are specifically using it. This would include: Inspecting group and component nesting. Selecting objects (especially hidden ones you can’t select in the model view.) Moving objects from one edit context to another (when it cannot be done easily in the model view.) Close the Outliner or roll it up before intensive model operations. To which he responded 4 days ago … > [@dvdspr](#): > > Yes, the machine is slowest when the outliner is open. You have found the heart of the issue. However, our models all work great on all our other machines with the outliner open. The outliner is critical to use with our standards since components and groups are deeply nested. ---
**Author:** ![tedvitale\_CG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c0e974/32.png) [@tedvitale\_CG](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/tedvitale_CG)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2015, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/32 "2015-05-01T03:15:36Z")
Ha! Whoops, that’s what I get for skimming the thread instead of reading it properly. At least I was in the ballpark with my suggestion 😛 ---
**Author:** ![gwestep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/439d5e/32.png) [@gwestep](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/gwestep)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/33 "2015-05-03T19:18:54Z")
Just as a gut check, I opened your file on my MS Surface Pro 3, SU 2015 and the file file opened in about 4 seconds and is smooth to move, translate, rotate. Don’t think it is the SSD or the graphics card. System Details: MS Surface Pro 3, 8Gb RAM 512Gb SSD, I7-4650 @ 1.7Ghz, Intel HD5000 GPU, SU Version 15.2.685 64-bit ---
**Author:** ![dvdspr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@dvdspr](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/dvdspr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 3:58am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/34 "2015-05-04T03:58:20Z")
> [@gwestep](#): > > I opened your file on my MS Surface Pro 3 how did you get my file? Do you mean this file offered as a test above?: > [@Kenny](#): > > Sandbox test.zip (1.1 MB) ---
**Author:** ![Kenny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90db22/32.png) [@Kenny](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/Kenny)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/35 "2015-05-04T09:27:55Z")
The file will open quickly but it was meant to test the processor by running the sandbox on it after it is opened. That should take about 2 minutes on a similar spec PC as the OP. ---
**Author:** ![RBalle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dc4da7/32.png) [@RBalle](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/RBalle)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/36 "2015-08-29T10:43:55Z")
This is definately an issue with the NVidia GTX 980 card (probably driver related) I recently upgraded just my video card from an AMD HD6800 to an NVidia GTX980, and from that very moment, Sketchup instantly became very very sluggish. I have been unable to solve it even though I have tried playing with various driver settings. I tried switching back to the AMD HD6800 and then it runs just fine and fast again, I still stick to the GTX980 though as its waaaay faster for everything else, just not Sketchup ☹ Hopefully this is resolved at some point with a software update from either sketchup or nvidia. ---
**Author:** ![TIG](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/tig/32/198_2.png) [@TIG](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/TIG)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/37 "2015-08-29T11:55:22Z")
NVidia cards are general regarded as ‘better’ ! Do you have the latest drivers installed ? Is the card settings [in its control-panel] set up to let the 3d program decide on its own settings ? What are your SketchUp Preferences \> OpenGL settings ? Perhaps a screenshot would help ?? ---
**Author:** ![DanRathbun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/danrathbun/32/500_2.png) [@DanRathbun](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/DanRathbun)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/38 "2015-08-29T20:28:43Z")
I spent some time this past week in the Nvidia forums because my Dad’s notebook has been having the GeForce driver repeatedly crash. There are issues with the Nvidia drivers. And there are some hotfix releases available. The announcements of these hotfix releases are done via forum sticky/pinned posts. Also for some issues, is may be necessary to rollback to a specific previous version. Nvidia cannot fix any application specific driver issues unless they know about them, so please report issues. ---
**Author:** ![jim\_foltz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/jim_foltz/32/74787_2.png) [@jim\_foltz](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/jim_foltz)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/39 "2015-08-29T21:02:33Z")
Didn’t someone figure out the Windows defender can slow down SketchUp? It might be worth a try to make an exclusion for SketchUp. ---
**Author:** ![mac7595](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/mac7595/32/650_2.png) [@mac7595](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/mac7595)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2015, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445/40 "2015-08-30T03:05:01Z")
> [@dvdspr](#): > > how did you get my file? Can you post your file and also give us complete info on the machine you are using including the manufacture, SKU version, memory, operating system including the version ( Hope you are not using windows 10) [Previous page](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-operations-are-extremely-slow-on-new-ssd-computer/10445.md?page=1)