Push/pull door issues – tried everything

Hi everyone,

To preface, I am certainly a newbie to SU compared to all of you – but I just completed a 3 month course on SketchUp and have spent a ton of hours working on my project!

I am having issues pushing a door through the walls I marked in cyan in my floor plan. I promise I have been on youtube, in this forum, and searching for what the issue can be!

Things I’ve tried:

– Making sure I’m working within the component

– The rectangle tool says ‘on face’ when I go to draw the door

– Making sure the surfaces are aligned on the same axis (turned the axis colors on)

Things I don’t understand:

– I believe my walls are hollow, I’m not sure how this happens? Did it happen because I lowered the back wall/outdoor patio walls?

– The rectangles I draw on the surface don’t appear on the back surface – is this due to hollow walls?

ANY advice is welcome, it would be helpful to have another set of eyes on this for me as my class is over now. Thank you!

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Your angles are off. It’s very slight, but what should be a perfect 90 degrees is coming up a little short or overshooting by a few decimal points. That’s what’s causing the conflict when you try to push pull a door through the wall.

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In addition to @mihai.s,

You’ve got length snapping enabled wich causes trouble for a lot of people.

Turn it off under window - model info - units in an empty SketchUp file and save it as a template.

You can adjust a lot more in your own custom templates but thats better left for another day.

Use that template from now on. (you can make it your default)

Another thing I see when looking at your model is that there are no red lines visible. None!

That means that none of your corners are square as @mihai.s showed you.

On top of that: color by axis is not that accurate, so using it to confirm that your lines are on axis is a bad idea.

I don’t know what SketchUp course you did, but I would expect that what I told you would have been part of that 3 months couse..

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Have a look at this, it might help!

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Thank you for your help!

There are red axis lines – for some reason they only appear within the component and the green axis lines appear outside of the component.

I didn’t know that the color by axis lines wouldn’t be that accurate. I really loved my class, it was more getting to the point about interior design and working on your furniture layouts as quickly as possible; these are accuracy issues in modeling within SU that I’d like to improve on in the future.

Thank you for your help! I didn’t think about the protractor. I will check my angles in the future!

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Thank you for your help! I realize now to check the angles and coordinates of the walls to ensure they’re 100% parallel. I perused that link, and I’ll definitely work on the modeling accurately in SU section.

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I would suggest you learn how to walk before trying to run..

Your teacher should know that it’s important to learn the basics!

Sorry, I missed that. But as you can measure for yourself with the protractor, not all corners are square, allthough “color by axis” suggests they are..

You wrote:

color by axis is not that accurate, so using it to confirm that your lines are on axis is a bad idea.

I have seen this stated before and have been puzzled by it ever since. Isn’t the whole point of Color by Axis to allow you to check accuracy? For something that is computer based, you might think that it would be 100% accurate!

I haven’t searched for it, but is there a recognised other way of ensuring lines are on axis perfectly?

You are not alone in that..

I’m not sure if that’s really meant to be the purpose, I’m only sure that a lot of people think it is..

This has been discussed and explained here: Color by Axis, close but not quite

Yes you can check for that by using the text tool to display the coördinates of endpoints, but it is tedious if you have a lot to check..

If it’s not the purpose, I wonder what it is?!

I thought you might say that about coordinates. As you point out, that can be a really tedious exercise.

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Well, it is a style so I would think it is for showing what lines are parallel. Not to check if they are parallel..

I think I have just drifted into a “parallel” universe….

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Lets hope that one has accurate color by axis.. :grin:

never seen someone use the New Yorker house style for diphthongs before

I had to look that one up..
Still not sure what you mean by New Yorker house style.
It’s how I learned it in school here in the Netherlands :grin:

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apparently it’s a thing :slight_smile:

if it's behind a wall

The special tool we use here at The New Yorker for punching out the two dots that we then center carefully over the second vowel in such words as “naïve” and “Laocoön” will be getting a workout this year, as the Democrats coöperate to reëlect the President.

Those two dots, often mistaken for an umlaut, are actually a diaeresis (pronounced “die heiresses”; it’s from the Greek for “divide”). The difference is that an umlaut is a German thing that alters the pronunciation of a vowel (Brünnhilde), and often changes the meaning of a word: schon (adv.), already; schön (adj.), beautiful. In the case of a diphthong, the umlaut goes over the first vowel. And it is crucial. A diaeresis goes over the second vowel and indicates that it forms a separate syllable. Most of the English-speaking world finds the diaeresis inessential. Even Fowler, of Fowler’s “Modern English Usage,” says that the diaeresis “is in English an obsolescent symbol.”

It’s actually a lot of trouble, these days, to get the diaeresis to stick over the vowels. The autocorrect on my word-processing program (I was just kidding about the hole punch) automatically whisks it off, and I have to go back, highlight the letter, hold down the option key while pressing the “u,” and then retype the appropriate letter. The question is: Why bother? I am not getting paid by the hour.

The fact is that, absent the two dots, most people would not trip over the “coop” in “cooperate” or the “reel” in “reelect” (though they might pronounce the “zoo” in “zoological,” a potential application of the diaeresis that we get no credit for resisting). And yet we use the diaeresis for the same reason that we use the hyphen: to keep the cow out of co-workers.

Basically, we have three options for these kinds of words: “cooperate,” “co-operate,” and “coöperate.” Back when the magazine was just getting started, someone decided that the first misread and the second was ridiculous, and adopted the diaeresis as the most elegant solution with the broadest application. The diaeresis is the single thing that readers of the letter-writing variety complain about most.

We do change our style from time to time. My predecessor (and the former keeper of the comma shaker) told me that she used to pester the style editor, Hobie Weekes, who had been at the magazine since 1928, to get rid of the diaeresis. She found it fussy. She said that once, in the elevator, he told her he was on the verge of changing that style and would be sending out a memo soon. And then he died.

This was in 1978. No one has had the nerve to raise the subject since.

words like coordinates are not coo rdinates but co-ordinates (also a valid word). thus the oö
I like it.
I like punctuation and typographic symbols, ligatures… :nerd_face:

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Don’t worry @ateliernab will learn you to talk proper.

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This reminds me of

I am worried that if this spreads too wide there will be no umlauts left for speakers, like me, of languages where the umlaut is common and meaningful.

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