# Need Feedback for Rendering **URL:** \ **Category:** Gallery\ **Tags:** sketchup, render, advice, enscape\ **Created:** [April 24, 2024, 5:05am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770 "2024-04-24T05:05:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MissLazy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MissLazy](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/MissLazy)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 5:05am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/1 "2024-04-24T05:05:48Z")
Hello Everyone!!! I hope my friends are well. I need feedback on my rendering skills. This was my final project which I wanted to render. My theme was a Art Deco Style Bedroom. For my reference I used this picture, I didn’t mimic this exactly but my point was to understand the lightning level and try to produce that in my project. I also need feedback on my camera angles as well. and other critics to improve my work results. thanks in advance ![5d2f196839141628029b8606efca0c5a](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/a/d/adb856e4f2e5c9d0a5987e7ed6b6c3cd154a4c19.jpeg) ![Enscape_2024-04-23-10-13-03_Scene 8](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/f/e/fe42bc77ceefd2dbd6af92897b332871212ee33e.jpeg) ![Enscape_2024-04-23-10-13-03_Enscape scene 3](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/e/6/e60388eb93fa9512ea389823c420f0ffc5517dbe.jpeg) ![Enscape_2024-04-23-10-12-59_Enscape scene 1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/c/1/c1993ef96f8348c888b47c5f2120c90610f92045.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![MissLazy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MissLazy](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/MissLazy)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 5:07am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/2 "2024-04-24T05:07:48Z")
Secondly does it look real? ---
**Author:** ![eric-s](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/eric-s/32/55392_2.png) [@eric-s](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/eric-s)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/3 "2024-04-24T16:59:22Z")
It does not look very realistic. Before I can give tips, are you using Enscape? If not, which renderer are you using? Enscape should produce better results than this even with its default settings. ---
**Author:** ![MissLazy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MissLazy](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/MissLazy)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/4 "2024-04-24T17:10:01Z")
I am using Enscape. Yes I need tips and guidance on every aspect … thank you ---
**Author:** ![eric-s](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/eric-s/32/55392_2.png) [@eric-s](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/eric-s)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/5 "2024-04-24T18:11:35Z")
The biggest issue is the overall exposure…or darkness. Here I just increased the brightness in Photoshop. It’s best to get the lighting right in the render and adjust in post-production if needed. Check your lighting settings. Is there an option for ‘interiors’ or ‘auto-exposure’? \*Edit: Check out this article for more interior lighting tips: [Rendering Lighting Tips for More Realistic Interior Scenes](https://blog.enscape3d.com/rendering-lighting-tips-interior-scenes) ![Enscape_2024-04-23-10-13-03_Enscape scene 3 copy](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/6/2/62692540acf34ad619b6fecdffac507a580f9848.jpeg) Also, the plant doesn’t look very detailed. I believe Enscape comes with a library of models to choose from? Can you find a higher-quality potted plant? For example, here is one that comes with V-Ray via their Cosmos asset library. ![Screenshot 2024-04-24 at 11.04.07 AM](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/8/6/86ecf53aca5c61c493204fe9a0def6ca037e0bf8.jpeg) Try these two things first and see what difference it makes. ---
**Author:** ![jlo1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/jlo1/32/205659_2.png) [@jlo1](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/jlo1)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/6 "2024-04-24T20:57:24Z")
I used enscape up until a few months ago. Its great and you will be able to easily improve these images. I typically turn OFF auto exposure especially for dark images that i want to be dark like the ones here. You will have more control of your lighting by having it off and setting the exposure value manually and setting light brightness according to the group of lights themselves - as an overall balance. Also dont use yellow for your light color. You want to use the Kelvin color temp scale. Here is the RGB values for these temperatures of light colors depending on how orange/warm you want them. 2500k 255 159 70 3000 255 177 110 3500 255 193 141 4000 255 206 166 4500 255 218 187 6000 255 246 237 I also recommend using more color in your objects. A lot of Art deco uses very loud and contrasting colors. your is mostly just white, black and tan. Start there. Keep going! ---
**Author:** ![jlo1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/jlo1/32/205659_2.png) [@jlo1](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/jlo1)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/7 "2024-04-24T21:02:01Z")
> **[Materials - Enscape](https://learn.enscape3d.com/blog/knowledgebase/sketchup/)** > > Working with materials in Sketchup for correct display in Enscape Learn how to use extra properties for enscape materials… especially the keywords at the bottom. Super easy and quickly adds nicer results. I keep this link handy for myself. ---
**Author:** ![MissLazy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MissLazy](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/MissLazy)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/8 "2024-04-25T04:47:44Z")
@eric-s Eric-s I think I misunderstood the reference Image and my project. My Project is displaying day time, and reference is displaying night time. I unchecked auto-exposure to better learn, get more control over lighting levels for my projects. my render images are not very realistic, I have spend time on setting materials, wall, curtains, floor, fabric metals everything but still its not very realistic. For plant I got it from Enscape library, will use different one. for over all darkness, my understanding was in 1920-1930 rooms were not as bright with lightning as compare to todays … thats just my idea I might be wrong I have read all articles about photo realistic lighting for rendering. but I didn’t copied any settings. @jlo1 JlO1 I never checked auto-exposure b/c I wanted to learn more control over lightning , tried to use all the tips observed on youtube videos and articles. I have not used yellow color I have used orange color RGB- 255, 153, 50 what do you suggest what objects need more color? thanks ---
**Author:** ![jlo1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/jlo1/32/205659_2.png) [@jlo1](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/jlo1)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/9 "2024-04-26T04:18:50Z")
Have you used a color in the kelvin scale? That was the first thing that stood out as being wrong - your light color. Your lights shadows/cones are also too sharp on the walls. Soften them or I would also add an .ies profile to the lights along with changing it to a proper color. I just saw you made an old thread on the enscape forum on ies lights… so not sure why you arent using them… > **[IES Lights - Enscape](https://forum.enscape3d.com/index.php?thread%2F25165-ies-lights%2F&postID=89440&highlight=ies#post89440)** > > hello, > > I am using SketchUp Pro 2023, and using Enscape 3.3.1, I don't find the option to load IES lights into my Sketchup Model. I have downloaded few IES light from https://ieslibrary.com/ but dont know how to load those in my model. > > the light... ---
**Author:** ![MissLazy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MissLazy](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/MissLazy)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/10 "2024-04-26T06:30:53Z")
I am sorry I have no knowledge about coloring scale I have read some where about it but right now I have no understanding. would appreciate if you share some links. yes you are right have to soften them with more exposure its very sharp. my older thread was about IES profiles at that time I didn’t knew how to use them. I have not used IES profiles in this project b/c I have used sphere lights. I didn’t liked results of IES profiles. I have one question why my renders are not photo realistic I have spend time on material where I am wrong?? ---
**Author:** ![jlo1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/jlo1/32/205659_2.png) [@jlo1](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/jlo1)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/11 "2024-04-26T11:29:18Z")
I already gave you the name what to google or look for - kelvin color scale. I already gave you 6 colors in that scale to use… so you didnt even need to search for them. I already gave you tips on how to improve the lights beyond just the color using ies profiles or to soften your lights. At some point, you need to take your own initiative in making things better. We can’t and arent going to do your actual project for you. “I have one question why my renders are not photo realistic I have spend time on material where I am wrong??” Ive answered this to you in now …multiple comments… as have others and you are still asking the same question showing you arent listening or applying our recommendations. ---
**Author:** ![MissLazy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MissLazy](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/MissLazy)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/12 "2024-04-27T16:56:35Z")
my apologies I didn’t mean to offend you in any way. I asked questions b/c I didn’t understood. I will google Kelvin Color Scale to understand it in detail. yes you did which I noted, thankyou for your help I really appreciate. for IES Profiles I didn’t liked the results, I didn’t not downloaded new ones to try again. I noted your suggestion about softening shadows. obviously I will do actual project, no one will do it for me. you guys are already very much helping me. I took a break from my this project and started a new one. I noted all the suggestion will do it and get back here in a day or two. I am really sorry for disappointing you guys, I really put my efforts on that project but I was disappointed by myself and felt depressed ☹ ---
**Author:** ![darrellh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47c2d/32.png) [@darrellh](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/darrellh)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 12:56am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/13 "2024-04-30T00:56:25Z")
I’m not familiar with Enscape, but have used a handful of other renderers. Realistic rendering is fairly complex, so don’t be discouraged at first if you’re not getting the results you want. There are plenty of variables to consider with settings, and they change based on each specific scene, so there’s a lot to learn. To sort out your basic realistic lighting skills, I recommend starting with a very simple scene, and maybe a few variations on that simple scene, so you can begin to understand what different light settings do, material settings, and how to achieve basic realism. Hopefully your new project is coming along and you are learning from that. ---
**Author:** ![MissLazy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MissLazy](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/MissLazy)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/14 "2024-04-30T16:52:41Z")
Hello, I have made few changes to my project. on my left wall I have used IES lights. @darrellh I agree with you I should have chosen a simple scene for my learning but thats was my final project for my course so I thought I will try to render it for my learning. I need feedback on my camera angles as well. ![Enscape_2024-04-30-20-57-34_Enscape scene 1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/f/0/f0fa44d9e0bec5f632f0222090f54d6b974323b4.jpeg) ![Enscape_2024-04-30-20-57-34_Enscape scene 2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/c/b/cb64077a5b42788b543981b8c85b6fa403d07d05.jpeg) ![Enscape_2024-04-30-20-57-34_Enscape scene 3](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/a/b/abc44611bde7b93c29a89821d5a85d3e6a8af0f4.jpeg) ![Enscape_2024-04-30-20-57-34_Enscape scene 4](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/5/6/56bcc55ffe6206e5f09dbefcde88577b9d276595.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![darrellh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47c2d/32.png) [@darrellh](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/darrellh)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/15 "2024-04-30T17:29:09Z")
Here are three things I noticed, maybe from most to least important: 1. You seem to be lacking contact shadows in many areas. For example, where the chairs and table near the window sit on the floor, there should be at least some shadow where it contacts the floor. That may be connected to a “flatness” I see in general, and it’s hard to say what’s causing it without know your complete scene setup. 2. Some of your wall lights are projecting hard shadows onto the walls. In almost all cases, those shadows should have some softness. 3. Some of your materials look a but unnatural, like the wood on the foot of the bed. As for camera angles, that largely depends on your specific goals, how much artistic license you have, etc. But overall, it follows general composition rules, like the rule of thirds, balance, focus, etc. Sometimes it’s better to not try to show too much in a single shot, and instead try to display something specific in an impactful way. Think about what elements of your scene you most want to show off, and think about the strengths of those elements. That may help you understand how best to capture them. ---
**Author:** ![MissLazy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MissLazy](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/MissLazy)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/16 "2024-05-01T20:05:21Z")
thank you for your suggestions. 1. Earlier my Sun Brightness was at zero. In below renders I set sun brightness is set at 10%. this might be the reason of no shadow 2.I have tried to soften my all shadows… hope its better now ![Enscape_2024-05-01-21-45-52](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/d/8/d8096e352894034d0ddb56f30f40a88aba904015.jpeg) ![Enscape_2024-05-01-23-20-57_Enscape scene 1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/a/b/ab18583400ca178212878504c269cc25252c2897.jpeg) ![Enscape_2024-05-01-23-20-57_Front](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/7/0/70498330b01a58279464b09b195e04768ae14e5d.jpeg) ![Enscape_2024-05-01-23-20-57_Scene 3](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/5/c/5c6267a7945367f857374bab508d7038f3bc8ea6.jpeg) ![Enscape_2024-05-02-00-15-34](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/0/a/0a817e36a12c6c153c40ffe01cb4164fab1a4482.jpeg) ![Enscape_2024-05-02-00-34-21](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/4/f/4fee635dff95cf29b303534fe61a0c2fc2910413.jpeg) ![Enscape_2024-05-02-00-38-32](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/a/c/ac4c16ae01f3e1817b1148e8fda470f942c27a90.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![eric-s](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/eric-s/32/55392_2.png) [@eric-s](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/eric-s)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/17 "2024-05-01T21:05:13Z")
I think this is a good start and it should be up to your professor, since this is a school assignment, to provide more direction on the level of detail and realism they expect. ---
**Author:** ![jlo1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/jlo1/32/205659_2.png) [@jlo1](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/jlo1)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/18 "2024-05-01T21:45:31Z")
- I don’t think the interior lights are bright enough for the not very bright sun in that room. - you need to close the room behind the camera… Because we see the reflection of nothing in the mirrors. - is the enscape render quality set to high? I agree with others that it doesn’t seem to be outputting shadows and GI as well as it can. - if you are going to have metallic surfaces like the brass on the bed… Or you are going to show close up shots of objects, you should round the corners even slightly to make it more realistic. There is almost no such thing as a perfect edge (or a perfectly straight line) in real life. Almost everything in your model is perfectly sharp which… Bothers me. It’s particularly important for metals. Everything in reality is rounded slightly. Fredo has a free plugin and a paid plugin for rounding corners. Fredo corner and round corner. I forget which is free. Mind.sight also has a paid bevel plugin for this. - the zebra seating thing should be rounded and deformed if these are cushions. - floors look good. - add a fabric texture to the yellow drapes. - add a paint texture to the walls. - the different woods should have enscapes bump effect adding to them and should also be somewhat reflective. - it typically took me about 10 min to go though a model and add enscape properties to all my textures. It’s quick and makes a big impact. If the model only has a color like the walls, add a bump map. - Save these bump maps and textures for future use as well. Keep a library. - every enscape light should have TWO lights. The enscape light AND a 2nd light that represents the bulb which should have an emissive lit color. Emissive lights don’t light scenes but they are great to represent a small area such as the bulb. a slight bloom effect adds to this looking more realistic. - I don’t like the sharp light edges in the desk light. It should be slightly blurred in it’s transition. This is certainly better than the original image set but it can still get better as well. - the sconces on the right side don’t match the lighting of the better left side. - your sconces on the back wall don’t have updated lights and it should have enscape materials such as metal applied to the bases and stem. > **[SketchUp Material Editor: Enhanced Realistic Materials for SketchUp](https://blog.enscape3d.com/sketchup-material-editor-enhanced-materials-sketchup)** > > Learn how to achieve more photo-realistic materials and renders with the help of the materials editor in SketchUp and Enscape. Cu in round 3… ![Tileable_stucco_plaster_wall _texture](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/f/6/f6af2a5198d84f87eb8c339ce31b39d5077b872a.jpeg) ![Seamless_plaster_wall_stucco_paint _texture](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/4/1/4140f16dbf82d6bae658a850dd42ab21b7106eca.jpeg) ![1280_cvRjEfCbcg51cLxU](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/original/3X/a/9/a9853f0514e662725111b357fd3ffe509db7ee36.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![MissLazy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MissLazy](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/MissLazy)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 5:16am UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/19 "2024-05-02T05:16:43Z")
my school is finished and they didn’t taught us rendering, we learned SketchUp and CAD there. I am trying to self-groom myself for a good opportunity. so SketchUp forum is my school now and you guys are my mentors 🙂 I need your guidance and support to improve my detailing and realism… thank you for all the help ---
**Author:** ![monospaced](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/sketchup/user_avatar/forums.sketchup.com/monospaced/32/53363_2.png) [@monospaced](https://forums.sketchup.com/u/monospaced)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770/20 "2024-05-02T13:17:16Z")
> [@MissLazy](#): > > this might be the reason of no shadow I didn’t realize at first, but this is why it doesn’t feel right. There still are no actual shadows at all. Not even from the sconces. [Next page](https://forums.sketchup.com/t/need-feedback-for-rendering/269770.md?page=2)