Finally took the plunge

Thanks for your thoughts. There is no rush, and the 3070 is coming soon, so I’ll wait.

I don’t doubt that it will be overkill, but it seems like what is overkill today is weak and puny tomorrow.

I gave in and ordered the 3090 :joy:

What a concept! A user serviceable computer tower that is up gradable when the user wants to do so.
Way to “think different”! :wink:

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Gaming cards do get loud and you will need to consider if you have sufficient airflow within your PC.

Gaming cards tend to have far better cooling capacity than that shitty blower fan NVidia reference design and therefore tend to be much quieter. With a half way decent cooling concept, some proper fans and a silent case such as a Fractal Design Define noise is a non-issue. Running an overlocked i7 + 2080, not hearing a thing even under heavy rendering load.

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Have not kept up with the thread so questions may already be covered, but will go thru later.

right now I have the chance to to buy an HP ProDesk 600G3 system
i7 6700 / 3.4 Ghz base speed / 4 cores 8 threads
16 GB RAM
500 GB SATA
don’t know power supply but probably 180 Watts
no graphics card.
total price $352

I could add GE Force GTX 1050 ti, 4 GB card - overclock edition. It will fit the motherboard.

Wondering what you guys think for a small time operator like myself.
I will render in VRay on this machine. 90% of renders will be still frame architectural shots -
no motion.
Final 10% to produce architectural shots showing natural light moving through the course of a day.

Could this system handle it? Is the 4GB card too small?

Interesting - my experience to date is a bit different - the gaming cards definitely have better cooling, but also generate more heat. I admit i havent tried a quiet PC case…you are tempting me! (The Fractal Define R5 or Coolermaster Silencio). My 2080 super is really quite loud in a basic mid tower case when it is running at 100%. I wish I had purchased a watercooled model. A lot depends on the environment and ambient noise too (my study is very quiet)
OF course for SketchUp the GPU wont be running at more than 20% so shouldn’t need a fan at all - it’s just rendering where it will put out lots of heat.

To be honest that’s really the wrong sort of system for doing any rendering.

It’s physically very small and will get very hot inside, leading to lower performance. The power supply is weak…it might run, but it will probably become become unstable during rendering. You should have at least 350watts.

The motherboard may have the correct PCI-Express slot, but have you checked if the computer case can actually fit the physical dimensions of your particular 1050ti? That will probably depend on which 1050ti version - some have single fans, others (OC models) often come with dual fans - which are twice the length. Then there’s the internal power connector; an OC card will likely require a 12volt 4 or 6-pin in addition to the motherboard PCIE slot. That HP computer probably wont have a 12volt cable.

If you do go with this option you will likely need to get a basic 1050ti, not an OC edition. If you can test it first then that would be ideal.

Sam, really appreciate this. I’ll not be going in that direction.

Most cards have a certain TDP that needs to be dissipated. The old blower style NVidia reference coolers for example were rather terrible at that and ramped up rather harshly noise wise. With 3 fan gaming cards though there is much more air to be pushed through the coolers and much more cooling capacity, therefore they can run at a lower rpm or even power off completely when running low to mid loads.

I can really recommend the Fractal Design Define lineup, pair that case with a bunch of decent PWM fans (I’m a bequiet fan when it comes to that) and a beefy cpu cooler and you’re set. You’re really right on that ambient noise argument though - I’m working in a 2person office with a bunch of people coming in throughout the day, therefore the noise floor itself is much higher and tends to mask other things much more than in a quiet studio.

Okay - I’ve gone to the local computer people here in town.
I’d like any comments, advice, recommendations, criticisms anybody is willing to give on this system:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 3.9 GHz 8 Core
MOBO: MSI 470 Gaming Plus Max ATX AM4
MEM: G. Skill Ripjaw V Series 32 GB
STOR: Samsung 970 EVO 1 TB, 2-2280 NVME solid state
VIDEO: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1650 4GB OC Windforce
POWER: Corsair RM 650 W 80+Gold ATX

You plan on rendering. My opinion… Get a card with 8 GB memory RTX 2070 or better.

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For SketchUp use, there are better alternatives in the same price class or even cheaper. Especially if you plan to use a renderer like V-Ray that can use your graphics card, it is best to focus on a CPU that has a good single-thread performance. Not that your choice is too bad.

Have decided to wait until October for the NVidia 3070 to be released.

Until then I have a question about the CPU.
I understand that SU uses only one core in the processor but:
What’s the difference between ‘thread’ and ‘core’?
What does “single thread performance” measure.
I will Google the question myself of course but would like to hear from SU users so I can understand mo better.

https://blogs.oracle.com/solaris/a-few-thoughts-about-single-thread-performance-v2#:~:text=single%20thread%20performance%20is%20the,a%20certain%20amount%20of%20time.

A “core” is an actual physical processing unit that is inside the silicon block of your CPU. Modern CPUs carry multiple of these. A “thread” is a computing process that typically occupies one physical core, or, with a “hyperthreading” CPU, can share a core between, typically, two simultaneous threads.

I don’t know the details of how different benchmarks work, but I understand that what is measured is the time that it takes to execute a series of processor instructions, kept within a single processing thread. So it measures what a single “computer” inside your CPU does. Adding more of these “cores” into a CPU increases its overall performance but does nothing to the single thread performance. Single thread performance is critical to SketchUp and other modelling or CAD applications because their main processes cannot be split into multiple threads, unlike, for instance, rendering applications or databases.

Very helpful - much thanks.

I can confirm on good authority that all is well with SketchUp on the 30xx cards :+1:

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