Componenty behavior by non components

I have three fittings. None are components. I wish to upscale them from 2.42" square to 3" (pretend they are cubes).

So, I copy one from inside their group and then paste it outside the group. It immediately de-orients itself compared to how it was and the other two fittings, but it’s not a problem.

Next I use the tape measure tool to upscale it from 2.42" to 3" without issue.

Then the newly upscaled fitting is cut and pasted back into the group it came from…

…Where I discover the other two fittings have also automagically upscaled to 3". Repeating it just out of curiosity, I see the fittings still in the group resize alongside the one I copy and pasted and resized outside the group.

Now, this is not a complaint – it saves me some work! – but I’m curious about the behavior, never having noticed it before. Is it normal, or did I inadvertently click something or other related to this at some point?

If you select one of them, how does the Entity Info window describe them? “[Solid] Group” or “[Solid] Component” or something else? It seems unlikely that an object which is not a component would act as a component, unless there is a component nested within the thing being rescaled.

Hi TDahl. To be honest, I don’t even know where to find that info! :laughing:

There’s nothing obvious to me in the Entity panel.

Attached are the fittings and the surface to which they’re attached. I copy and pasted these from within a much larger group and then made these parts into their own group.

fittings.skp (56.3 KB)

Like I said, I’m not complaining. This is actually pretty clever and I wish I’d known about it a long time ago. The suffering it would have prevented…

I have the same question as Tom. This sounds like the object you copied is a component, not a group.

What you describe happening doesn’t happen for me in your file. But it’s all loose geometry within the group.

Strike that. I used Copy and Paste in Place which is my normal procedure. I tried Copy and Paste instead and I do see if. Interesting.

Weird. I just tried it again using the small group I uploaded and it still does it for me.

Actually, I got it to do it once. Now I can’t get it to repeat. This is with Copy and Paste.

OK, well this is not the breakthrough I thought it was. Upscaling one fitting doesn’t just upscale it and the other two – it upscales the entire model, which is of course useless to me.

Dang. Soul crushed yet again.


How are you upscaling them? I expect you need to change your process.

In this case I was selecting the entire fitting, copy ‘n’ pasting it outside the group, then using the tape measure tool along one axis to resize it (2.42" to 3") before copy ‘n’ pasting it back into the group.

Well, that would be your problem. Scaling with the Tape Measure tool affects everything in the context.

Do you want the brackests to remain in the same location on the plate after scaling? Is it OK if the hole size gets scaled with the bracket?

Yeah. I have one of those fittings in its own drawing – every component down to washers and nuts have their own drawings – and I’ll just dupe that and resize it before replacing the existing ones.

If it were my model I would make the bracket as a component with gluing properties and the origin set at a location that makes it easy to place. That would also make it simple to replace with a new if needed. I would leave it as a component until at least until I know it doesn’t need any editing. I might just leave it as a component anyway. Probably no point in it not being a component.

OK, thanks, I’ll look at doing that.

No, I have to resize the hole, but this also means adjusting that angled slice, as irl it cuts through the edge of the hole as drawn.

You’re welcome.

By the way, does the spacing between the brackets have to get wider? Do they get thicker as well as wider themselves?

Then redrawing the bracket would make sense. If you made them as components and left them that way, you could either make an entirely new one and very simply replace the existing ones or edit one of the components in the model and replace all of the required geometry.

Yep, I’d hoped to find a short cut. Because lazy.

The thing I need changed is the area of the contact point of the fittings where it interfaces with that surface, but of course that means a wholesale adjustment of just about every other dimension…

It won’t take long to redraw it, so I’ll do that. Should have done it in the first ■■■■ place, I guess. But lazy. :grin:

Lol. We can’t use the word d.a.m.n in the forum.

Just going a little OT here, but is there a Forum tutorial on how to create these animations/video captures/whatever they are?

I’ve found the component thing, which might seem like a tiny bit more work up front, feeds my inherent laziness in the end.

Here I’ve placed the fittings a component. I also made a larger version of that fitting although I acknowledge it’s probably not what you want. In this case I didn’t bother with the gluing property but you can see where i put the component origins.

That makes placing them in the first place simple as well as replacing them.


I do this for things like cabinet hardware such as hinges, knobs, pulls, etc. to make my work easier.

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There are apps for that one is LiceCap and another is Screen To Gif.

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