Advice for a new pc system

Today i received the following info/quote for a new pc workstation:

HP High-end Workstation
Intel Xeon 20Core E5-2673V4 2.3-3.5GHz with HT 40 Threads
64GB DDR4
500GB Intel Enterprise SSD + bracket
Video Card Quadro RTX 4000 8GB 5K
Optical Drive Type DVD+/-RW
Connectivity (USB/FW) 2x USB 2.0, 8x USB 3.0
Audio Outputs Analog
Connectivity (Ethernet) 1Gbps
Connectivity (other) 2x PS/2, Serial (9-pin)
Desktop Type Tower/desktop
Windows 11 Pro NL or UK + license and installation

I think it will do an do hope it is also "ai"proof/ready?
But what do you ‘the community’ think about it?

Order it: Yes / No :thinking:

:grin:

:thinking: Are you sure you got it now? It’s 2026, not 2016, when the processor was released. (Ok the Quadro RTX 4000 is released in 2018…) Are you sure you need a PS/2, serial port and a DVD? Were are the USB C ports (usb4 / thunderbolt)? Ethernet 1Gbps, perhaps still okay, but there are 2.5-10Gbps nowday…

Are you trolling?

If so, i am just passing the troll i received from our system administrator :thinking:

It looks like someone inherited a computer warehouse many years ago and is now cleaning it out… :grinning_face:

It was a great pc like 10 years ago. No one uses Xeon processors for workstations anymore, they’re more for servers, the gpu lacks of ray tracing features and it’s old as well. What’s your budget? I can check on pcpartpicker the best hardware for your bucks.

Without knowing the price, I’d guess that about 80% of the budget goes into the 64 GB of DDR4 RAM… :joy:

What do you plan to use the PC for? Just modeling? Or rendering as well? If so, CPU or GPU? Which programs?

In general, it doesn’t make much sense to use such an old processor for a “workstation.” Maybe as a render node - but then only in a dual-processor setup. Whether it’s worth it depends on the price.

But for all single-threaded tasks (SketchUp/CAD), pretty much any current processor is better.
And with processors this old, there’s always the risk that a future program update will require instruction sets that this processor doesn’t support, making it no longer compatible - as happened most recently with V-Ray 7 and AVX2 (where the previous-generation E5-26xx v3 was left out).

V-Ray: ~14,000–15,000 points
That’s on par with an AMD Ryzen 5 7600 or Intel Core i5-14600K.
And both of those already offer significantly better single-thread performance.
PassMark Single Core:
E5-2673 v4: 2,083 points
Ryzen 5 7600: 4,130 points (twice as fast)
Core i5-14600K: 3,744 points

And compared to current processors, even the smallest AMD Ryzen (Ryzen 5 9600X) already scores around 20,000 points in V-Ray and 4,572 points in PassMark.

(For comparison: A current Ryzen 9 9950X 16-core processor scores over 50,000 points in the V-Ray benchmark and 4729 points in PassMark)

Correct, Xeons and Quadros are 2 huge wastes of money on a normal CAD pc.

Do NOT order it

That looks like something that’s been Frankensteined from old parts.

If you are doing lots of CPU rendering, then as it is old server CPU that will be good for that.

But it’s pretty hideous by modern standard for single threaded tasks - (SKETCHUP) , a 6 year old Mac Mini outperforms it.

The GPU is old, but should be more than plenty for most users. Simple escape things will run well under that.

I guess it’s all relative - it could be a huge upgrade over what you have.

To be honest… it does feel like a downgrade for some parts in comparison with the current system from 2019.

Quote 2019:
Tower PC
Intel Core i9-9900K (faster then xeon 20 core?)
Corsair 64 GB DDR4 werkgeheugen (kind of the same)
WD Black 256 GB SSD (bit smaller then 500Gb but still 8GB space available since 2019)
PNY Quadro P5000 16GB grafische kaart (double the amount of memory, but slighlty slower then the Quadro rtx 4000GB?)
Logilink Card reader en usb front
Windows 10 pro

I guess we will have to go back to the drawingboard and configur something better to work with ^^

Yeahs the i9 is like 30% better in single thread benchmarks.

The GPU is faster, but depending on what you are doing with your work: the reduced vram could be another problem.

wait. how much are they asking for it ?
might be worth is just for the 64GB ram :sweat_smile:

My appologies, but will not post prices, could be cheaper here or more expensive there :wink:
Most important thing is the specs, will it be enough for the next 6 to 8 years?

In the mean time will continue gathering more info and better intel to improve the quote to my (2d/3d microstation/photoshop/sketchup draftsman/edit/render system) wishes :crossed_fingers: :innocent:

PS quote from 2019 was double the price then the price from the quote 2026 :thinking:

The main reason I wouldn’t buy that machine is that the single thread performance of the old Xeon is dismal, and a single CPU thread is what SketchUp and all 3D modelling and CAD applications use. They have no use for the zillion other processor cores. To speed up modelling look elsewhere.

I’ve followed this guy on youtube for a while’ he knows his stuff (hope it helps)

I’m due a new PC next year and I’ve already started looking at prices, yikes. I have around a $4k budget each for 2 machines. I hate that Dell killed off their XPS desktop line as that’s what I have used the last 4 years and it’s been a killer machine, zero issues (XPS 8950). Might look at Lenovo as well but not a fan myself.

It always comes down to the price-to-performance ratio. Without knowing your budget, it’s impossible to make any reasonable recommendation - unless you have an unlimited budget…

This is a classic example of an administrator or IT support provider specifying hardware for designers based on workstation-class branding rather than the way SketchUp actually uses the hardware.

I have seen this several times: an older Xeon-based workstation is presented as a powerful solution because it has a high core count and was originally very expensive. Unfortunately, this Broadwell-era Xeon prioritises additional cores over modern single-core performance. SketchUp’s modelling environment still benefits heavily from strong single-core CPU speed, so a newer mainstream processor will often feel considerably faster than an older workstation CPU with many more cores.

This type of machine may still perform adequately in certain professional CAD and engineering workflows, but that does not automatically make it a good SketchUp workstation. SketchUp works primarily with polygonal geometry, while its viewport performance and visualisation capabilities increasingly depend on a modern GPU with current driver support.

The same applies even more strongly once rendering and AI workflows are introduced. Most modern render engines increasingly favour NVIDIA’s RTX platform, with sufficient VRAM needed to hold textures, geometry, lighting data and render passes. An 8GB Quadro RTX 4000 may still be usable, but it no longer compares favourably with newer 12GB, 16GB, 24GB or 32GB RTX cards.

Given that you are based in Amsterdam, I would not expect this system to achieve much more than approximately €900 on the private resale market. I would therefore be very careful about purchasing it at anything close to its original workstation price. As several people have already suggested in this thread, it would be better to revise the specification around hardware that is optimised for the next five years of working in SketchUp rather than buying into an ageing workstation platform.

If local AI is also part of the requirement, storage needs to be considered from the beginning. I would not start with less than a 1TB SSD, and realistically I would recommend at least 2TB. A collection of local models, checkpoints, LoRAs and supporting files for ComfyUI and LM Studio can quickly consume hundreds of gigabytes while you test different models and workflows.

You also need to consider the balance between system RAM and GPU memory. This becomes especially important in ComfyUI when working with multiple reference images, start and end frames, animation workflows, style transfers or combinations of several models. The system needs to hold a considerable amount of visual context in memory while processing the result.

For this type of work, VRAM often matters more than raw gaming performance. An RTX 5080 with 16GB may sound extremely capable, but the 16GB memory limit could become its main weakness over time. A GPU with 24GB to 32GB of VRAM would provide a much more useful lifespan for serious local AI work.

For someone genuinely trying to future-proof a workstation for local AI over the next three to five years, I would look towards 128GB of system RAM and a GPU with approximately 32GB of VRAM. That is, however, a significant investment. For many independent consultants and small businesses, paying approximately $20 per month for a hosted AI service remains more economical than purchasing and maintaining the equivalent hardware locally.

A Mac mini can still be an interesting alternative for LM Studio because Apple’s unified memory allows relatively large language models to run locally. That can be valuable when privacy, intellectual property and business-specific workflows are important. It allows sensitive information to remain on the local machine rather than being submitted to a general cloud-based AI service.

Yes those systems are/were great!
They still sell the XPS laptops tho.

Current Dell is a Precission 7720 which still works good enough for my personal usage.
But it is also getting older and it’s not win11 proof so it will also need a replacement (soon).