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This doesn’t work. The section plane still shows in the section planes labelling. What I want is to somehow make a section plane not show up in the section labelling because it is from an elevation.

In the following image the AL section was done like you suggested, but the 1, 11 and 12 sections are also from elevations. What I wanted to do is to somehow tag those sections as elevations and make the disappear from the section lines labelling.

This would make the plan feature only the sections that cross the building.

Of course this also doesn’t work.

That’s a shame as the bounding box should be perpendicular to section and unrelated to axis.

That makes sense. I’ll try and see if that presents any issue.

However I think that if a building has 5 different levels for the first floor all those levels will appear in any section. What should be possible is to present only the level of the current floor being sectioned.

Also, if a building has several wings, and if we want to address them independently for each section, we should also be able to do it.

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Just open the group of labels then delete the section marks you don’t want to show as a normal SketchUp entity. Then you can use a new feature was added from the latest version is “Copy labels to scenes” from right click menu.

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This is seem not simple as you think. I’ll try to think out of the box to get a right attempt. Maybe that scene will need to change the axes also.

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That’s simple enough! I’ll do that.

However, if I need to reposition sections as the project progresses, I’ll have to do that again for all scenes. It would be a lot easier if I would simply hit refresh on them.

The more we have to remember to do, the more prone we are to make mistakes.

If that is the case, and axis must change, would that happen automatically?

In Curic DWG export plugin we have the possibility of choosing model axis or scene axis. Maybe, exporting sections with the new scene axis is actually a good idea.

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So you don’t need to create a section plane for Elevations, just use Position Camera, click a place then drag to the direction you want.

Sorry but that wouldn’t work. In our case we have to model the context, which is useful for a lot of reasons. If we would only use a camera and no section plane, the context would be in front of the elevation.

Here is an image of a project we are working on. It’s the first we are implementing your plugin on:

Here is the full model and the section used for elevation that is placed in the edge of the sidewalk.

Here is the elevation if the section plane is inactive:

And here is how it should be:

I’d really like to have sections for elevations as that would allow us to both position the elevation view in place, represent the section of the street where our municipality requires it, remove context from the front of the elevations and allow us other aspects of our workflow.

NOTE: We need the context because we need to account for sidewalks and the street’s façade heights are used to account for the total height of the building we can build. It also helps with energy/shadow studies.

EDIT:

Actually, elevations should also have their own markings. Those for us are optional, as we don’t use them, but I guess they are standard:

And these for interior elevations, which we also don’t use.

Oh, you really don’t know about the Position Camera tool? Please refer to the video from @JustinTSE at 2:12

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yeah but that’s using the old clipping bug that has been fixed since isn’t it ?

edit: oh yeah no it still works.
but I think I read a few times here that it caused problems in layout, ghost lines appearing and stuff like that.

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I actually knew that we could clip the camera on ortho projection, I had a plugin that did that, but never thought of actually using it and didn’t know about this method. Thank you for showing it to me!

It does make sense for interior elevations as those can fill up your model with sections and create an organization havoc. The problem though is that I need the section cut faces for every section I create, pr at least, section fills:

  • Sections we use curic Section to represent materials
  • Elevations we use section cut faces to draw stuff, and now we also create the markings with your plugin
  • Interior elevations we use sections to draw cabinets interiors, shelving, and details for all kind of smaller stuff.
  • Detail sections, we draw details on sections with all the layers, insulations, hatches and whatnot for construction elements like roofs, walls, floors and their intersections, so that we can document them at 1:5 to 1:1 scale.

So, it would be very useful to have a way to mark sections as:

  • Sections (we have that now, but all sections are treated as regular sections);
  • Elevations (sections that are in fact elevations and have special markings or no markings at all)
  • Interior elevations (sections that are represented with a cross section symbol like the one above and produce the elevations we use to view kitchens, bathrooms, walkin closets, stairs, entrance halls, and all that stuff)
  • Detail sections, wich are usually placed at walls and allow us to draw their intersections with slabs, ground, floors, windows, and so on.

It would be great if your plugin could adress all of these in the future.

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And it doesn’t produce section fills, so you’ll see a lot of unwanted stuff inside walls, floors, ground, cabinets or any other clipped element.

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Hey @Cyentruk ,

I have several questions about how to setup scenes:

  1. Top Views and Architectural Plans - I made some scenes on top view that I actually should have made into architectural plans. Is there anyway to convert them from one to another?
  2. Elevations and Sections - I don’t really like to specifiy which elevations or sections are back, front, left or right facing. Would there be any possibility of changing the way elevations and sections work so that they simply align the view with the section plan? This would also help with diagonal sections. I would also like to know how to convert one of these into another.
  3. Details - As we are able to isolate zones of a plan using the custom bounds, is it possible that we have a detail section and a detail plan scene? The detail plan should create a corresponding box on the architectural plan that would specify where the bounding box detail exists and label it. The detail section should create a small line in the architectural plan, stating where the detail section is being placed.
  4. Refreshing areas, materials, labels - This should be automatic. When we select a group for area labeling, a layer or a selection for doors, windows, columns or whatever we are labeling, then we should be able to refresh the info retrieved from that selection without having to manually select stuff again. Would this be possible? Refreshing an architectural plan, should refresh all info we assigned to it, right? From labels, to details, axis, section placement, areas and whatever we have already labeled, should automatically refresh and assume the changes we had already made.
  5. We should have an auto refresh button - For instance, if we apply auto levels on a scene, when we change one of the levels we shouldn’t have to go back to each scene and apply auto level again. An example is changing scales, if we change scales and hit update, the texts change their dimension and placement for all labels. This is what should happen with auto labels. Hitting an update button would update each auto label we already performed in the scene. There should also be a button that would perform that for every scene already set on the model and for every auto labeling we have created on each scene.
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